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Re:California will pay off all past due rent by olivermarks on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:06PM (#27594996)
The landlords aren't 'fine'. I know of a couple of people crippled by lack of rent income, the mortgages were still due.

There was no moratorium on paying mortgages and a lot of people have made huge sacrifices in order to hang onto their properties in the last 14 months.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by quantumofalpha on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:44PM (#27595477)
Renting out houses is not a risk-free business. Risk materialized and hit people who took way more than they could chew.

But I doubt most of them are really "crippled" in light of crazy price appreciation on the other hand. They might be forced to sell due to cash flow problems (immediate cause of most business failures anyway, no?), but should still be in the plus after the sale goes through.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by WalterBright on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @03:16PM (#27595901)
Having the government declare that renters can live rent-free and cannot be evicted is not a normal business risk. It's very close to outright confiscation of property.

Governments that do such things tend to have very poor economies as a result, as very few businesses are willing to undertake such risks.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by beerandt on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:14PM (#27597301)
It is confiscation of property, and an illegal one, since it's not for public use.

Not allowing an owner to exercise all of his rights of ownership is a taking, even if it's not permanent.

You see this often with construction projects that expropriate not only the title to land needed, but also temporary servitudes (leases) on adjacent land for site access or extra room for construction.

Point being, the "temporary" nature of the order, and the fact that the landlord retains title/ ownership, doesn't preclude it from being an (un)constitutional "taking" of private property.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by DannyBee on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:00PM (#27597761)
Most courts to consider it so far have not considered the state-level eviction moratorium laws to be a taking that is occurring without compensation.

See, e.g., https://www.inversecondemnation.com/files/eviction-moratoriu... (massachusetts)

(A federal court also declined to block it)

I am too lazy to look at all of them.

The reason they are usually found not to be takings is twofold.

First, they only prevent a specific type of relief. In most of them, nothing in them stops the landlord from suing for money damages, or even necessarily for breach of contract with ejection as a remedy. They only usually prevent you from filing eviction petitions.

Second, they generally do not state that you are not owed the money, only that you may not temporarily collect it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/takings goes through most of the current tests, and most moratorium rules fail them.

For example, taking again the MA one:

1. It does not allow permanent physical occupation (they are temporary)

2. It does not cause loss of all beneficial/productive uses of the land (you are still owed the money, and in fact can sue for money damages)

etc

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by kayfox on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:20PM (#27598611)
After Lech v. City of Greenwood Village I don't have any faith in any litigation going well for the people suing the government.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by philistine on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:05PM (#27597818)
Where I live, a renting agreement is covered by certain government guarantees. For example, you cannot evict someone if they fail to pay, you need to obtain consent from a judge to do that.

To my mind, if the government suddenly refuses to evict anyone for public health reasons, the taking of intangible property rights is minimal, non-discriminatory and justified. We’re at war with a virus here, some sacrifices will have to be made. If people can be evicted, more people will die than if they stay put.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by setr on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:22PM (#27599185)
>you need to obtain consent from a judge to do that.

It's not that the judge needs to step in to decide whether failing to pay rent should result in eviction. It's that you can't forcibly evict someone as an individual (because forcible eviction can go nasty, from either party, very quickly, and historically abused).

You need the judge to determine that it's now time to invoke the police to enact a forcible eviction, because the renter won't leave quietly/on his own.

The judge does not determine whether the renter is qualified to live there despite not owning up to his side of the renter's agreement -- the judge determines whether the use of force is now justified.

>To my mind, if the government suddenly refuses to evict anyone for public health reasons, the taking of intangible property rights is minimal, non-discriminatory and justified.

But that's not the problem at hand. Any reasonable person over the last 1.5 years should have not paid rent, regardless of capability to do so, because the law guaranteed you couldn't be evicted for it (inability to pay was a qualification for the law, but it's hardly trivial to prove it wasn't covid-related). The worst case scenario is you have to pony-up when the moratorium expired (and did you really expect the majority of the population who couldn't pay rent, to suddenly have enough money to cover 1.5 years of rent? The government bailing them out was inevitable -- the alternative is a massive wave of backed-up evictions).

Furthermore, you could barely even evict misbehaving tenants, let alone sufficiently-wealthy-but-not-paying, because the courts assumed it would fall under a covid eviction.

The entire thing was a naively well-intended shitshow.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by 6510 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:13PM (#27599100)
We should make the virus pay for it.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by serjester on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:30PM (#27600482)
I’m surprised no ones mentioned this but the government also provided emergency relief funding (payroll protection) to business owners.

While not explicitly designed for landlords they technically qualified - even if the only person on payroll is themselves. I know multiple people, albeit in different lines or business, that had 5 to 6 figures of payroll loans forgiven.

The real loser here is the future of the US dollar.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by risk000 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:33PM (#27607354)
>The real loser here is the future of the US dollar.

This presumes that the quantity theory of money (and/or the theory of Ricardian equivalence) is correct, which it most likely is not[0]. Money printing does not cause hyper-inflation, as demonstrated in this CATO paper[1]. Governments are not households[2], because they hold monopolies on currency creation[3]. Also, currency creation is not 'debt'.[4]

It follows from this that there is a vast and largely unexplored space on the graph of currency creation over time, where the line can rise before it triggers negative systemic effects. A fiscally sovereign nation can never run out of its own currency.

This policy space is where the future lies, awaiting us. The worldview-assumptions implicit in your question would discourage us from exploring this space. That, in my view, would be the heart of folly.

Many thinking people in the economic and policy professions are realizing this, and not a moment too soon.

0. https://saylordotorg.github.io/text_money-and-banking-v2.0/s... 1. https://www.cato.org/working-paper/world-hyperinflations 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba8XdDqZ-Jg 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AyT9zftNrE 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIe_BiRIlgU

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by brailsafe on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:27PM (#27599669)
It sounds like normal business risk to me. If you're in any other business, you're counting on the economy doing what it does to facilitate people spending their money on your product, and in the meantime you're spending on overhead to maintain your retail store or whatever infrastructure you need. If there's a real problem there, you're out of pocket for the expenses you've risked having to pay. In this case though, you've invested in one of the most critical aspects of someone's livelihood. That presents a real problem for everyone if people can't afford to be sheltered, and as part of the system, if not someone actively worsening the system, you're kind of agreeing not to fuck it up for everyone.

I say "if not someone actively worsening the system" because if you're buying property with the exclusive intention to rent it, there's a decent chance you're just taking available property off the market and contributing to ever-increasing prices, even though the value of the property is kind of just fake number, which increases the need to rent (and be dependent on you) in the first place.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by bassman9000 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:03AM (#27602377)
you're counting on the economy

Arbitrary regulation is not the economy.

If CA decides tomorrow to pass a bill that mandates all tech workers to have proper accreditation, including a bar exam, and to fine to oblivion companies that don't comply, is that the economy?

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by brailsafe on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:42AM (#27602948)
A more likely hypothetical scenario would be regulation on the term "engineer" at some point in the future, because there aren't any extenuating circumstances that would demand that happen at this moment, but I don't really see what your driving at anyway.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by bassman9000 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:07PM (#27645348)
That the whims of a few, or even a single bureaucrat, are not normal business risk. Read Sowell's Basic Economics on how arbitrary regulations distort the market.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:16AM (#27602794)
In California, under those circumstances, yes it is.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by fattire on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:17PM (#27613540)
OR

Governments that do such things tend to have excellent economies as a result by preventing a cascade of unneeded financial collapses and the social costs associated with dealing with that along with the increased human suffering of an already significant homeless population.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by quantumofalpha on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:15PM (#27596621)
It's longtail-ish but there could be a number of other reasons why you might not be able to rent out a property for many many months.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by awillen on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:28PM (#27597460)
Sure, but when the government is the one that expressly puts these rules in place, the government needs to take responsibility for the impact of them.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by quantumofalpha on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:52PM (#27598336)
And they did! At least in California, that's the news here. Overleveraged people got a lesson but will be made whole it seems. And every houseowner massively profited from house prices appreciation. What more can you ask for? Have your cake and eat it too.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by gameman144 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:44PM (#27600562)
Overleveraged renters can't ask for more, but renters who paid their bills on time and responsibly forewent other spending are really taking a bath here, and could ask to not be penalized for acting responsibly over the past 18 months.

This is a textbook case of a moral hazard.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by ipaddr on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:34AM (#27601101)
They are not being punished. Just because some other group got a benefit doesn't mean the first group are taking a bath.

If you see someone steal something you shouldn't think you have to steal too because others will have benefit you don't.

It sounds less like moral hazard and more like jealousy. The people who didn't pay took a risk, ruined relationships with management. It will probably follow them around to credit reports and to the next place.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by gameman144 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @02:08AM (#27601308)
> If you see someone steal something you shouldn't think you have to steal too because others will have benefit you don't.

This isn't the situation, though. The situation is more like the government announced that theft of Playstations wouldn't be prosecuted; my friend stole a Playstation, I paid for my Playstation, and at the end of the day the government stepped and paid of my friend's Playstation off for him.

You're totally right that the government isn't punishing me for having paid for my Playstation. But economically I am being penalized for having not stolen my Playstation.

When the responsible thing to do and the economically advantageous thing to do are at odds, it's not far-fetched to expect fewer people doing the responsible thing.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by mizzack on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:17PM (#27596647)
Most risk is covered by lease terms. Failing that, there's eviction... until the government intervened and changed the fundamental contract.

And, no, no one is going to buy your house if it has non-paying tenants that can't be evicted. They would just be inheriting your problem due to tenant's rights.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by quantumofalpha on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:27PM (#27596761)
Non-paying tenants is just a short-term problem and you can put a dollar amount on it. It's not the worst thing that can happen to a property. People with deeper pockets than you and able to wait it out would still buy with the right discount for the inconvenience and uncertainty. Or even for the mere right to be your buyer - there's extreme housing supply shortage in certain markets if you haven't been following the news. With some comical extremities like people pledging to name their firstborn after the seller etc
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by pempem on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:17PM (#27598580)
I want to address the note about "biting off more than you can chew".

This would have required ~1 year of reserves, full on, for every unit. Thats a lot to ask if we want a real estate market that is diverse and not feudalistic in nature.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by dehrmann on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:33PM (#27600139)
Risk of not being able to evict someone not paying their rent for a year wasn't a risk anyone though was even possible in December, 2019.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by pxeboot on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:16PM (#27595135)
> There was no moratorium on paying mortgages

Maybe not for large commercial loans, but traditional mortgages (usually for 1-4 unit properties) absolutely could be deferred for ~1 year if you could show a loss of income from the pandemic.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by ericmcer on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:15PM (#27596611)
So I should be fully leveraged to the point where not getting rent will cause me to default immediately. This is a frustrating thing as someone who saves and has a safety net and other fallbacks in place. The current economy continues to reward taking on as much debt as possible (stocks only go up, houses only go up, past due rents covered, etc.) and punish ever having cash in reserve.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by _-david-_ on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:11PM (#27597268)
>So I should be fully leveraged to the point where not getting rent will cause me to default immediately.

It is not immediately. This has been going on for a year.

>This is a frustrating thing as someone who saves and has a safety net and other fallbacks in place.

It is one thing to save, but many people are not able to save for a year or more. They may have lost their job AND no longer get any rent money for a year.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by nielsbot on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:08PM (#27595030)
You'd need data to know the percentage of landlords that are struggling. If landlords are struggling with their investments, they were over leveraged in a sense.

Personally I am not opposed to this type of bottom-up bailout, however I think this move should not end up being profit-generating for landlords. Not sure how you'd determine that, etc.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by cmckn on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:15PM (#27595129)
My landlord owns two properties. I live in an expensive area. If I didn’t pay my rent for a year, it’s unreasonable to assume that they could float that. Do we want to live in a world where all landlords are large corporate entities with the leverage to survive a once in a century upset? (I do not.)

It’s in vogue to harp on landlords, but it’s one of the more common small business models; owning a rental property is probably the most realistic way you or I could earn some income on the side. They’re not all Scrooge McDucks.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by nielsbot on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:16PM (#27595145)
No, but what about having more homeowners instead?
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by olivermarks on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:22PM (#27595223)
It would be ideal to have more homeowners but right now we have Blackrock et al buying up real estate to rent out.

'in the future you will not own anything' #WEF https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2021/06/is-blackrock-buying...

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by cmckn on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:33PM (#27595362)
Landlords will always need to exist, because there will always be situations when renting is advantageous or necessary. But yes, I wish it was easier for folks (read: me) to make the transition from renting to owning.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by foogazi on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:43PM (#27596932)
> But yes, I wish it was easier for folks (read: me) to make the transition from renting to owning

Plenty of housing available before blackrock snatches it all up

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3723-Bridlewood-Dr-Montgo...

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by aeternum on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:24PM (#27607205)
Homeownership significant decrease people's liquidity and ability to move to follow opportunities. It leads to a lot of negative effects:

- more traffic since buying and selling a new home takes a lot more effort.

- barrier to moving to a different city with better opportunities / QoL

- lots of capital (most of one's net worth) tied up in a very emotional and personal investment

- incentives that pit their housing investment against things that they might otherwise support, like more housing being built, homeless services, etc

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by notJim on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:20PM (#27596688)
I'm not sure why it's so amazing that there are a bunch of local landlords profiting off people's need for shelter. Great for them that they get to get rich, but why is making sure rich people stay rich so important again?

In my experience, landlords are often a pretty toxic element in local politics (opposing upzoning, opposing progressive policies in general.) IME as a renter corporate landlords were not really better or worse than small-time landlords. At least with the corporate landlords, I can buy shares in the company and reap some of the rewards back. Even better, the government could buy shares through a social wealth fund, and return some of the profits to the whole of society.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by mandelbrotwurst on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:24PM (#27597413)
If all of the properties owned by small scale landlords are converted into properties owned by large scale ones, you’re going to end up with more income inequality.

It also probably pulls wealth out of the local area, depending on where the owners of those larger corporations are.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by beerandt on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:21PM (#27597381)
>why is making sure rich people stay rich so important again?

Why is enforcing legal contracts so important?

Besides being one of the very primal functions of a working government.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by annexrichmond on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:13PM (#27598539)
What exactly makes you think that all local landlords are getting rich? It is how some people chose to invest their money, just like how you might have chose to invest into the corporate landlords that you think are so much better.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by cmckn on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:16PM (#27598565)
These types of businesses are building wealth for the owner, sure; but no one is "getting rich" from owning a couple apartments. Maybe we have different definitions of rich.

I would rather give ~$500 a month in profit to a member of my community, than a national chain. I think it's odd to be against "the rich staying rich" while shrugging your shoulders at corporations throwing their weight around in the rental market.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by risk000 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:36PM (#27607386)
You make a really beautiful point here, thanks for that.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by mlyle on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:04PM (#27596478)
I feel like I need to translate because of the over-emphasis on the word "fine." The person is saying after an initiative like this, the landlords and those who were willfully delinquent end up made whole or nearly so, but those who scrimped to pay rent under difficult circumstances end up worst off.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by runawaybottle on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:17PM (#27600043)
I make the same argument for student debt forgiveness. This is what it would look like. While a bunch of people get their 50k liberal arts degree paid off, everyone else doesn’t even sniff a refund for something they paid for or paid off fair and square.

This is truly a moral hazard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard

You must give a tax refund to anyone that did pay rent fair and square and also prove they paid under duress (paycheck to paycheck or some threshold near it). The only ones that don’t get a refund are those who live in affluent areas, or are well off beyond reason.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by risk000 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:38PM (#27607417)
This is one of the reasons why the brilliant and unconventional economics professor Steve Keen recommends a debt jubilee for all citizens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBbXwQTvl_g

It circumvents the moral hazard you mention while alleviating the problems that are impacting all of us.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by UncleMeat on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @03:42PM (#27596229)
Could they sell the property?
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by Salgat on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:55AM (#27614098)
At least they have the option to sell the property, take their profit on the increased equity, and move on to the next venture or just get a normal job.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:12PM (#27595077)
There’s a difference between losing some of your passive income versus losing the home you live in.

Landlord are absolutely fine.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by olivermarks on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:19PM (#27595184)
There are many people who previously scraped together money to buy rental income homes who have really struggled during the eviction moratorium. It is very expensive to maintain rental properties in California and the eviction moratorium has made it possible for people to get federal relief money via California but not pay their rent. The idea 'landlords' are heartless, louche smug rentier folks is not born out in the vast majority of cases. This is Newsom buying votes to try to prevent the recall IMO, along with other cash handouts and showboating going on.

A sensible solution 12 months ago would have been to pay renters rent for them directly, but that wouldn't have been as desirable politically.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:50PM (#27595569)
The vast majority of rental properties are owned by people who aren’t even remotely close to struggling. You can verify that both statistically (richer landlords own more properties) and anecdotally as a renter.

Housing would also be far cheaper if it wasn’t common to speculate on it, by landlords small and large. It used to be, in fact.

A far more sensible solution would be to outlaw owning a property one doesn’t live in, so housing prices would come down to levels where us renters would be able to buy.

An in-between solution would be massive social housing programmes, so people can rent much more cheaply from a non-profit entity. After all, building housing is a tiny fraction of the cost of housing, the rest is all speculation.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by spfzero on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:02PM (#27596461)
The largest fraction is the value of the land. The land is not more expensive because landlords own it, rather than homeowners. It's expensive because more people want to live on it, whether they own or rent. People want to live in certain areas, due to proximity to jobs, nice weather, transportation etc.

Homeowners speculate too. It would be hard to find someone buying a home who was not considering its future value.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:37PM (#27597549)
Is that true? Arguably the vast majority of the value of the land is also due to speculation.

After all, most cities have large numbers of unoccupied homes, owned merely as a financial instrument.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by ipaddr on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @01:44AM (#27601149)
I haven't seen any unoccupied home that wasn't under immediate repair in a city in awhile. Not in bigger cities. The prices are going up so vacant places get sold if unneeded.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:45AM (#27601886)
London and Dublin famously both have large numbers of luxury homes entirely unoccupied, used as investment vehicles. The number of empty homes in fact exceeds the number of homeless people.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by ipaddr on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:28PM (#27608927)
The parent comment said North America. Property rights seem different in England.. if someone moved into that vacant home for 7 years they can claim the right not to be removed. I guess these big homes have security.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:29PM (#27609871)
They’re mostly luxury flats in central areas, requiring little in the way of security. Squatting is impractical in this case.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by awillen on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:32PM (#27597501)
Outlaw owning property that one doesn't live in means that anyone who can't afford to buy is homeless, because renting is illegal. That's not a sensible solution. You say "us renters would be able to buy" but you're probably not someone who's living paycheck to paycheck. Those people can't afford to buy even if real estate prices drop dramatically.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by alephu5 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:04PM (#27598450)
If you can afford to pay someone else's mortgage + profit (through rent) you can afford to buy.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by rmk on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:54PM (#27600275)
You are assuming that your rental payment > mortgage payment based on current market value of the property. That's absolutely not the case in the majority of situations (which is why people choose to rent vs. own: you can live in a property that you would never be able to afford to buy, if you choose to rent). Rents are often a good deal because the landlord does not want to sell, but have a source of passive income, have the house be occupied and close to cash-flow positive while it grows in value over decades (a nice nest-egg) etc.

You truly can not determine if you can afford to buy a place until you take a multitude of factors into account, and they vary for each person and each property.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by hansvm on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:19PM (#27606253)
That's apples to oranges even looking just at marginal costs; you're comparing "past mortgages and current profits" to "current mortgages." That's a reasonable approximation some places, but right now I'd pay an extra $15k+/yr to mortgage a house equivalent to my apartment.

Not to mention, housing has high fixed costs and just isn't available for a lot of people. You need a down payment, various closing costs, proof of decent credit (not just that you haven't defaulted on a loan, but that you've been actively building credit), and ofttimes proof of some moderately high amount of income or sustained bank balance. Even with enough income to make the monthly payments you could still have to save and plan for years to get over the hump of actually buying a home.

Once you've actually bought the house, your actual expenses are burstier than when renting. You might get lucky, but if the furnace or something dies in the first couple of years you won't be able to weather that loss if you were just on the cusp of affording home ownership (whereas a renter would be just fine because it's their landlord's problem). Since certain major components of the house are effectively self insured, that raises the bar for initial savings you need to purchase a house with the same financial safety as renting.

There's an additional assumption you're glossing over -- that for every apartment there exists an equivalent or worse house. At times when I needed really cheap rent I could grab a 200sq ft studio apartment, but that option isn't readily available for most home buyers.

Even assuming buying were feasible for everyone it still wouldn't be close to optimal. The extra fixed costs associated with a home purchase or sale make it much more difficult to move for family issues, school, job opportunities, .... If you're in a situation where you plan to move every couple years then renting is likely cheaper (certainly easier) than purchasing a home, even in places where the rent is higher than an equivalent mortgage.

And on and on and on. If you're going to stay somewhere a few years and have a bit of a financial buffer then I totally agree that home ownership is often a good idea. It's not that clear cut for huge swathes of people though.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by awillen on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:20PM (#27599166)
C'mon, you have to see the flaw in this. There's a difference between making a monthly payment and having a large amount saved up.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by russellendicott on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:34PM (#27598771)
But for 30 years straight?
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by lucian1900 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:40PM (#27597566)
The state or local authorities could easily rent out to those that do not own, social housing already exists and used to be far more common. Entire countries had nothing but social housing before 89. Private landlords aren’t the only way renting can work.

A single minimum wage used to be enough for a family to get a mortgage, that has not been true in many decades in most countries.

Re:California will pay off all past due rent by reeealloc on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:54PM (#27598938)
Who cares if they're fine. Last time I checked, we don't check if parasites are fine.
Re:California will pay off all past due rent by mikecoles on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:36PM (#27599739)
The government always caters to the parasites. They want to buy those votes with all of the "free" handouts.

You're just confused about who the parasites are.