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Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by Loic on Saturday June 19, 2021 @01:36AM (#27558069)
In fact, this is a wonderful program. If you adjust all the thermostats 1 or 2K above for a relatively short period of time you can have massive savings at scale while not fundamentally change the quality of life of the people[0]. 26°C for a short period of time is not something terrible either (if dry), this is what I have right now.

Basically, the inverse of the tragedy of the commons.

[0]: and they can even un-enroll... so the company is really doing it the right way.

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by mardifoufs on Saturday June 19, 2021 @01:51AM (#27558143)
And you can avoid grid failures proactively for a comparatively very small inconvenience. The only thing I'd think must be changed is the incentive offered to the client. Only giving entries to sweepstakes is a pretty laughable reward considering how much money can be saved by using less at the very high peaks of usage. Especially in places where end user distribution is separate from transmission/ electricity generation/etc & electricity rates vary depending on real time demand. Plus, If they give good enough incentives I think a lot of people would be interested especially when the inconvenience amounts to making you use less electricity when it's at its most expensive (not a concern yet for most because of fixed rate tarification being a lot more common)
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by Rebelgecko on Saturday June 19, 2021 @01:58AM (#27558162)
The equivalent program where I live (Los Angeles) gives you $120 for participating in your first summer, then $60 every following year. It's absolutely worth it in my book

All the fear mongering about the remote control is bizarre to me. You're warned in advance before the adjustment happens, and it's not like you're locked out of your thermostat. If you get uncomfortable just turn the temp back down. It's an easy way to reduce your fossil fuel consumption, especially since the thermostat will precool beforehand, which is typically a time when renewables are a higher proportional of the grid's supply

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:01AM (#27558420)
> All the fear mongering about the remote control is bizarre to me.

That's because you're being paid a hundred times as much. No I will not let someone else screw up my heating for a coupon. $60 a year? I'll try it and I won't feel scammed.

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by mattrick on Saturday June 19, 2021 @09:51AM (#27560453)
I think it's important to note that this is a program these people voluntarily signed up for with those terms. I agree that I probably wouldn't sign up with those terms, but they did and are acting like this was unexpected.
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by voakbasda on Saturday June 19, 2021 @10:49AM (#27560881)
I want to be positive and give the benefit of the doubt, but this seems like the kind of thing that gets buried in the details and overlooked. It was just one piece of a bigger system.
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by treesknees on Saturday June 19, 2021 @05:29PM (#27564622)
Our energy company offers $20/year plus a raffle entry for each time they do it. It's pretty low, but last year they adjusted my thermostat by 4 degrees for about 4 or 5 hours, and it happened twice. The article makes it sound like the utility company is doing this every day or something. It's really not the case. So I'm not sure how much money people expect they're entitled to.
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by throw_away on Saturday June 19, 2021 @03:15AM (#27558490)
Not even a coupon, a raffle ticket.
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by occamrazor on Saturday June 19, 2021 @04:36AM (#27558889)
The participants also use less energy when costs are high and save on their bill, don’t they?
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by Scoundreller on Saturday June 19, 2021 @11:49AM (#27561525)
Maybe not. Texas hasn’t 100% caught on with time of day billing.

Here’s Austin’s utility: https://austinenergy.com/ae/rates/residential-rates/resident...

And even for customers that have time of day billing, peak times are correlated with high-cost energy production (peaking plants), but not necessarily grid instability events.

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by bestcoder69 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:01PM (#27594935)
> if dry

Sounds like you are not familiar with Houston. If I had to sleep like that I’d move.

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by necovek on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @03:46PM (#27596268)
I haven't been to Houston myself, but I've visited Dallas, Austin, Phoenix, Orlando and a bunch of Californian cities — one thing they had in common was that the ACs were turned way too low (in business conference centers) where I learned to bring a sweater when travelling to warm US state in the summer (not to mention the confusion when you ask for water without ice).

I keep my AC at 26C/80F when it's really hot outside (like these days when we are hitting 95F with 104F expected in a few days), and the difference when going out still bothers me. My metabolism adapts to outside conditions and I assume most people's does to (eg. towards the end of winter, 50F/10C feels nice and warm whereas at the beginning of winter, it's chilly).

But even if you are uncomfortable at 78F/25C as the article states, does one seriously worry about overheating and babies becoming dehydrated at those temps? Like really? (I've got an 8 month old and I avoid ACs but did turn them on the last few days because of the outside temps crossing 30C)

To top it off, most ACs dry out the air too (to the point that this also bothers me).

Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by holoduke on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:28AM (#27558277)
Yeah sure. Lets do the same with banks. Nobodies life changes when we withdraw 1 dollar from each person to raise 200m to fund whatever project.
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by admax88q on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:31AM (#27558293)
Isn't that basically what we have taxes for?
Re:Shocked to find smart thermostats raised remotely by “Sma... by ayende on Saturday June 19, 2021 @02:32AM (#27558296)
They did that in Argentina a couple of times. Want 1$, though

As a result, people avoid storing large sums of money on banks in Argentina

Note that all governments will do similar things. Either by raising taxes, doing mandatory bonds, etc