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Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by krageon on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:40AM (#27527821)
> but UK residents do typically pay for the content whereas those outside the UK are unable to.

In essence, what you're saying boils down to "it's already paid for, but nobody else can have it anyway". It's unreasonable and there is no need to make excuses for this behaviour.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by mtsr on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:42AM (#27527848)
It's generally down to the terms for content that networks (BBC in this case) buy licenses to. The IP owners don't want the networks to allow the whole world access to that content for the price that the network is willing to pay to show it to their region.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by subpixel on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:51AM (#27527935)
But also, and mostly, in reverse. The BBC is the producer and license owner of a ton of programming, and rather than offer that to the world for a subscription fee, they choose to offer it to select partners (previously mainly PBS, now Netflix and Amazon) for a licensing fee, or sometimes in a coproduction arrangement.

This is big money, up-front, with no need to build out a global delivery system or deal with millions of customers.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by hnlmorg on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:02AM (#27528041)
The BBC aren't allowed to. There are very strict terms in which the BBC can operate. So what they have to do is sell to subsidiaries like BBC America. And there in lies the licensing issues described in the GPs post.

This is one of those classic examples of something that looks really simple from an outsiders perspective but once you have to deal with the details you realise it's anything but simple. And through no fault of the BBC either, I might add. Various commercial stations and news outlets have campaigned relentlessly to shut the Beeb down. It's a miracle the service is still operating, even if their hands are tightly tied.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by kmeisthax on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:50AM (#27528490)
More generally, geographic licensing maximizes revenue without damaging brand goodwill for the vast majority of customers, so pretty much everyone is going to do it.

Hell, I thought the practice would die (or at least slow down) when Netflix started transitioning away from syndicated TV and movies; this never happened. Netflix will totally geoblock their own shows so they can, say, release a cartoon on a weekly basis in Japan but in binge-watchable chunks in America.

You will continue to see anything more premium than a high-subscriber-count YouTube channel be geoblocked until and unless one of two things happens:

- Geoblocking gets so heinous that it starts to push people away from shows and services, beyond ordinary subscriber churn. This is unlikely - the US is the biggest market for a lot of this stuff, and that's a market full of people who have no desire to watch foreign media ahead of an official release. Hell, most of us don't even have passports, and think that you can just move to another country by asking politely.

- Some country or trading bloc gets enough of a bug up their butt about getting releases late that they start amending copyright law to ban the practice. AFAIK, I've heard Australia was considering banning region locked DVD players at one point; and that the EU was considering forcing online video providers to license content on an EU-wide basis.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by withinboredom on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:19PM (#27533011)
> the US is the biggest market for a lot of this stuff

I have a funny feeling that a very large percentage of that market comes from VPNs. Everyone I know watches the US Netflix and we aren’t in the US.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @05:25PM (#27533670)
of all the streaming services, I have found Netflix to be the one that cares least about geoblocking. they appear to care on the outside to appease the production outlets, but on the inside they don't appear to block or discourage VPNs at all. unlike the BBC who actively, and aggressively, geoblock their content
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by Mindwipe on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:14AM (#27528713)
> The BBC is the producer and license owner of a ton of programming

The BBC is complete license owner of virtually zero programming. Almost all (as in 99.9%+) of their content uses substantial third party copyright works where the cost implications of selling internationally still apply (just the music rights alone will drive you mad, and it's far from uncommon for BBC content that is shown in the UK to have a different soundtrack to the internationally sold version to the likes of Netflix due to the licensing cost and complexity).

It is also worth noting that the BBC makes a lot less than people think, especially if you consider BBC studios to be a quasi-separate production entity now (which it is!).

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by nindalf on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:09AM (#27528103)
GP wanted to watch BBC News in particular. I don’t think there’s any licensing issue with that, surely?
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by Mindwipe on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:33AM (#27528944)
> GP wanted to watch BBC News in particular. I don’t think there’s any licensing issue with that, surely?

Ha! There's SO SO MUCH. More than you can imagine.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @08:54AM (#27527963)
totally agree. I had no end of shit trying to watch BBC News channel from abroad. I'm a UK national, I own a house in the UK, I pay UK taxes, I pay your stupid TV licence fee, you're broadcasting live over 3 separate CDNs, just let me watch the fucking news. I eventually subscribed to an illegal IPTV service for that one sodding channel. I don't even need the other 17,000 channels. the BBC drove me to it
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by vanburen on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:56AM (#27529213)
It may be worth looking at the AAISP L2TP Service[1].

They are a domestic ISP, so I guess iplayer should work over the service.

[1]: https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/l2tp-service/

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @05:05PM (#27533458)
looked interesting, but is around double the price for around max 2 hours viewing per day, with no guaranty of supporting BBC streams. from experience I'll presume they know about this service and are actively blocking their subnet

I'm paying around half the price for unlimited viewing of direct streams (no faffing with client protocols) which come transcoded for home and mobile usage

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by herbstein on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @10:14AM (#27528719)
Completely off-topic: great choice of name. That number is burned into my mind, and will be forever
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by UncleEntity on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @05:13PM (#27533544)
To continue the off-topicness...

That number almost always works for store 'loyalty program' discounts too.

<local area code> 867-5309

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Thursday June 17, 2021 @01:00AM (#27536259)
especially at Jenny's Diner
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by mikecarlton on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @12:55PM (#27530712)
Still more off-topic: I can only read it as 86-75-309
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @05:07PM (#27533482)
the joy of fitting 7 beats into a 4/4 signature
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:06PM (#27532872)
cheers ;)
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by mavhc on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:14AM (#27528149)
Not running a vpn from your house?
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:27AM (#27528274)
the tenants wouldn't approve (they pay for elec and internet). plus I'm away for twelve months so no chance of onsite troubleshooting, physical reboots after power outages, etc.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by larkost on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:34AM (#27529679)
So, you are saying that the TV license you are paying for is actually being used by the renters in the house you own. Is that a fair statement? That puts a bit of a different spin on it.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:24PM (#27533060)
due to the timing of things, I prepaid for ten twelfths of their residence. I didn't seek recompense as I knew I would be consuming one channel. I am unaware if the tenants use a tv
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by criddell on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:23AM (#27528241)
It really hasn't already been paid for. For example, say you are a composer who wrote some music for a BBC series. You get paid more for something in wide release than for something released only in the UK.
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @11:49AM (#27529891)
> what you're saying boils down to "it's already paid for, but nobody else can have it anyway"

This is already paid for but the next show isn’t.

If the BBC were sold to the public as a soft dollar expenditure, it would be one thing. But it wasn’t. I’m not sure it could be in today’s Britain. Ignoring the freeloader problem threatens the support on which the BBC’s funding depends.

This is a debate with reasonable arguments on both sides.

Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by andyjh on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:10PM (#27532912)
Licensing issues aside, it would cost _additional_ money to actually serve all that content to a global audience (shipping bytes over the internet isn't free).
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by 867-5309 on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @05:34PM (#27533729)
yet they deliver over 3 CDNs, yes THREE, for a maximum viewership of one country
Re:Apple's iCloud+ “VPN” by danpalmer on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @09:06AM (#27528070)
Yes you're right, I was giving a reason more than an excuse. I don't think they should be doing it.