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Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by rayiner on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:35PM (#27506409)
Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years, while CNN and MSNBC have moved quite a bit to the left. You see it more on cultural issues than say economic or foreign policy issues. Joy Reid, for example, just says the most outrageous falsehoods and goes completely unrebutted: https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1403950560907300865?s=20
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by majormajor on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:27PM (#27507070)
I got the "the civil war wasn't about slavery" line fed to me in school. Reconstruction was a bad thing, too, and it was good when the North stopped meddling. So where's the most outrageous falsehood here? The "nothing to do with" bit? That's not the exact version I got, but the gist was: "the Civil War was about states rights, it's just a coincidence that the right in question was the right to have slaves, but the South wasn't morally in the wrong because states rights are actually that important."
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by rayiner on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:25PM (#27508497)
The falsehood is saying that “currently, most K-12 students learn Confederate Race Theory.”

I grew up in solidly Republican Virginia in the 1990s (even my “liberal” Northern VA county voted against Clinton both times) and we certainly didn’t learn the “Daughters of the Confederacy” version. When we visited Monticello, slavery was discussed at length. Teachers have discretion so maybe some kids are still learning this stuff, but it’s a huge lie to say it’s “most” kids today.

Folks like Reid are massively gaslighting people by making it seem like the opposition to CRT is opposition to “teaching kids about slavery.” Conservatives in Virginia weren’t up in arms complaining about that when I was a kid almost 30 years ago, so it’s hard to imagine that’s what they’re doing. The opposition, instead, is to people like Reid who are trying to normalize racism against white people. It’s opposition to people who want to turn slavery into the entire narrative, such as the 1619 Project, which asserted that “nearly everything exceptional about America grew out of slavery”: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/year-zero

> Out of slavery — and the anti-black racism it required — grew nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional: its economic might, its industrial power, its electoral system, its diet and popular music.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by whimsicalism on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:38PM (#27506450)
> Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years

I routinely read Fox News online. I do not think they have moderated over the last 2 years - there was perhaps some moderation 4 years ago, but no longer.

CNN has swung leftward, I don't think MSNBC has substantially changed.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by GauntletWizard on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:54PM (#27507456)
I think they mean the word "Moderated" not in the colloquial sense of removing content, but in the sense that they're opinions are not as strongly right-wing as they once were.
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by whimsicalism on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:28PM (#27507872)
Yes, this is also the sense I meant it.
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by WoahNoun on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:40PM (#27506483)
How is that a falsehood? The daughters of the confederacy pushed the "civil war was about state's rights" narrative that is still taught across the South.
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by rayiner on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:26PM (#27508514)
Source that it’s “still taught across the south?” Because that’s certainly not what I learned in Virginia 25 years ago.

And Reid said “most” kids, not just those in the South.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by dragonwriter on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:44PM (#27506541)
> Fox News has moderated a lot over the past few years

They moved slightly back from Trumpism back toward their earlier pre-Trump far-rightism late in the Trump period (not abandoning the former, just not going in whole hog on it), which might be seen as moderation from a tribal/partisan viewpoint (as pre-Trump far-rightism currently lacking a major party home, to the extent many anti-Trump-but-far-right voices advocated voting for Democrats over Republicans despite ideological issues with Democrats in 2020 as essential to the defeat of Trumpism), but is not moderation ideologically.

While the D-R partisan split is not independent of left-right ideology, its not the same thing.