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Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by throwaway894345 on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:04PM (#27504272)
> Yet both Muslims and Christians are in the news a lot, and there's a lot of political discussion about them.

I'm not sure what your point is? That Muslims and Christians should be grateful that the news media talks about them a bit more than the entertainment media? To be clear, I'm not arguing that any particular group should have more representation; I'm criticizing the media for its increasingly propagandist angles.

> It would be refreshing if more mainstream fictional media featured them in realistic, three-dimensional portrayals rather than as faceless stereotypes, wouldn't you agree?

In general, yes, but that doesn't justify misleading or agenda-driven news media. And in any case, every time people try to "fix" the entertainment media, we end up with awful content (e.g., the GhostBusters reboot) and frankly I don't want to sacrifice that much quality for sake of representation. My wife and I were just talking about how many really good pre-2015 films wouldn't be made today because they don't thrust the characters' race, gender, etc into the foreground.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by pmoriarty on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:10PM (#27504362)
"I'm not sure what your point is?"

My point is that religious people, whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever, have a serious impact on our lives, and it would benefit everyone if we engaged with them as real people rather than fantasy stereotypes.

Fictional media can help with this by giving us insight in to what people are really like. My contention is that this is more desirable than merely leaving them as faceless talking points in the news.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by threatofrain on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:48PM (#27504884)
IMO it takes serious anthropological commitment to have a non-idiot understanding of a people. I feel this shouldn't be an individual job. Either your entire community has deep, embedded relations with another community or it doesn't.

Otherwise it's like asking for better sources to read about Chinese culture, or like visiting China once a year for vacation. You can't read your way into being culturally competent. You might even move your entire family to China, but it may only be your children who truly begin the road to integration. Anyone who is part of an immigrant community will have a story of the trajectory of cultural competency. It is an optimism which must be fulfilled by your next generation.

You can, however, follow generic protocols of kindness whilst in ignorance.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by pmoriarty on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:59PM (#27505038)
Of course, seeing a movie on the Himalayas is no substitute for visiting the Himalayas, and that's no substitute to living in the Himalayas.

But I'd rather have there be movies on the Himalayas than not, even when we are aware it's not a perfect substitute for the real thing.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by threatofrain on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:00PM (#27505050)
The standard here is being barely adequate, not perfect. Anyone who is part of an immigrant community knows how hard it is to be adequate. That's why you pass on this optimism to the next generation while you blindly chase cultural fads, hoping your kids will fit in.

You smile and nod your way through.

Anyways, the call here is for community integration, not for individual action.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by pmoriarty on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:11PM (#27505186)
Are you saying fictional media are incapable of having a barely adequate portrayal of immigrants?
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by threatofrain on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:21PM (#27505304)
Are you integrated into an immigrant community? Are you part of a church that deals with immigration? Or an ethnic business community that is part of the immigration chain? Or is your community well integrated with those you seek to understand?

Why go it alone?

Is one's clarity on community affairs the difference between choosing WION and India Times? Or The World Journal?

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by bluGill on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:32PM (#27505433)
The problem is that movies influence what we think the truth is. Is Tokyo like the Godzilla movies? I would hope that everything not obviously related to the fictional attack is realistic to how the people actually live, because like it or not movies influence us.
Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by pmoriarty on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:50PM (#27505737)
If your only view of Tokyo is what you get through Godzilla movies then you definitely have a problem.

The solution is better movies on Tokyo, not no movies on Tokyo.

You're in luck, though, because there are plenty of great movies on Tokyo -- movies that even people living in Tokyo find give great insights in to their own society.

Re:Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers by throwaway894345 on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:14PM (#27504406)
Ok, so are we in agreement? Your original response sounded like you were expressing disagreement.