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Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by dcolkitt on Monday June 14, 2021 @10:58AM (#27503355)
> Expressing intent to resign, and actually resigning are completely different things.

You have to ask yourself, why this is the case. And the simple answer is status quo bias. Many dream of a different life, but few will actually pull the trigger on a major change.

However if a company suddenly changes an established working relationship, then all bets are off the table. If people have gotten used to WFH, and now you make them come into the office, then you’re invalidating the status quo bias. Switching jobs is probably less disruptive to their status quo then going back to the office.

Corporate managers are forgetting a very maxim. Never piss off your employees by taking away something they feel entitled to. It’s the same reason that it’s virtually unheard of to cut salary, even when revenue is collapsing in a deflationary recession.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by Wonnk13 on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:25AM (#27503702)
>Never piss off your employees by taking away something they feel entitled to.

I've read one of the easiest ways to break moral in an office is to simply take away the snacks. Forget nap pods, or walking desks- don't touch my clif bars!!

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by helge9210 on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:56PM (#27504997)
> I've read one of the easiest ways to break moral in an office is to simply take away the snacks

For me this is indication of cost cutting going into effect. This means it's time to stop riding a dead horse and to start looking for a live one.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by michaelbrave on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:39PM (#27507245)
This, it's either the first sign of larger problems or a sign of a significant culture shift, either way it signals that change that is likely for the worse is coming so it might be time to leave before it gets worse.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by ryandrake on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:34AM (#27503844)
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by vidarh on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:52AM (#27504095)
I like the one who suggested the answer to the question of how much the free drinks cost should be "less than the cost of hiring a single engineer".
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by sokoloff on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:17PM (#27504452)
Used to work at an office where they got rid of free drinks. The morning it happened, Top Engineer 1 sent a mail to all Boston staff announcing he was thirsty and asked if anyone else was similarly thirsty and wanted to join him on a grocery trip to buy soda. Three cars full of engineers went to the grocery store, taking a little over an hour. Free drinks returned later that same week.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by francisofascii on Monday June 14, 2021 @04:04PM (#27507578)
Right, the whole point of free food/drinks was the keep the engineer from wanting to leave the office. It was not really a perk but a way to entice the employee to working more.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by foobiekr on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:10PM (#27506062)
This exact event happened at both Cisco and Juniper when they got rid of free drinks. Multiple times.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:57PM (#27505013)
I love that guy.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by comeonseriously on Monday June 14, 2021 @12:34PM (#27504683)
Exactly. A lot of people think, if the company is so tight or so stingy (whichever the case may be) they can't afford bagels anymore, it might behoove me to search for work elsewhere.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by lanstin on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:52PM (#27505768)
To be honest one of awesome things for work at home is it prompted to me to finally setup a half decent bagel at home routine. And nice coffee, weak and fifty percent milk, just like I like it. I am looking forward to 4 pm tea time informal chats with friends, two days a week, shortly.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by Scoundreller on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:49PM (#27505703)
You can watch the snacks, but I check the TP quality. Easy to verify before you start as well.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by trulyme on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:44PM (#27511042)
TP?
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by Daido_M on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @02:47AM (#27512111)
Toilet paper, I think.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by xyzzyz on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:06PM (#27505134)
> It’s the same reason that it’s virtually unheard of to cut salary, even when revenue is collapsing in a deflationary recession

Yes, that’s why companies prefer lay offs rather than broad base salary cuts. Lay offs are a temporary hit to morale, while pay cuts are more permanent. Moreover, in lay offs, you can fire least productive workers, while after pay cut, it’s the most productive that will leave first.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by Pet_Ant on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:41PM (#27505567)
I've seen more jobs offer like 10% yearly bonuses for the reason that I assume is the ability to cut back on costs in a pinch without touching the salary itself per se.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by nomel on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:44PM (#27509798)
> I assume is the ability to cut back on costs in a pinch without touching the salary itself per se.

A pay increase is a > 10 year commitment, in the eyes of the accounting department. Where I am, it's usually around 60% base cash bonus, %30 base RSU bonus, for "above average" performance (which isn't difficult). I, unlike most of my colleagues, budget my life around my base pay. I experienced the 2007 recession, so in my mind, this is all unsustainable and will crash someday.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by lanstin on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:50PM (#27505729)
After a few demoralizing layoffs you have a tendency for talented folks to leave once the picture is clear. Does management think software is an investment or a cost? If you can work where it is an investment, do so.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by nomel on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:46PM (#27509807)
> After a few demoralizing layoffs you have a tendency for talented folks to leave once the picture is clear

From what I've experienced, there's a double whammy here. Only the talented folks remain, but they all know better than to stick around, so the company dies shortly after.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by xyzzyz on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:24AM (#27511275)
Yes, that's why companies don't like to fire people in general. Alas, sometimes the choice is between firing people, taking morale hit and likely dying later, or not firing anyone, and dying much sooner and with certainty.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by cleansingfire on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:04PM (#27505970)
I personally frame any cancelled perq as an effective pay cut. Usually portrayed by management as somehow expected, & as if unearned in the first place, which I find galling. I also had an experienced coworker who pointed out that when the water cooler went away, the company was circling the drain, which my limited experience has borne out.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by jjk166 on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:18PM (#27505270)
> Switching jobs is probably less disruptive to their status quo then going back to the office.

Maybe for a little while when there are lots of jobs offering WFH and competing for a small number of people switching jobs. However if you invert that by having lots of jobs simultaneously require people to come back into the office and lots of people simultaneously seeking new employment, then that job hop is likely to be quite difficult. At the very least, most people probably won't be able to line up a new WFH job before they either need to start going into the office or quit and risk extended unemployment. In the long run there will be more WFH opportunities than before the pandemic, but a lot of people are going to have to go into an office whether they want to or not.

Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by lanstin on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:56PM (#27505839)
Not for software in US or India I don’t think. I am not manager but do lots of interviewing and OMG people who can code and think and talk are so so precious. We would hire all remote in a jiffy, unless asking salary is higher than budget. When it is coming down to it, my company is picking lower salary over in office.
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by guythedudebro on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:06AM (#27511517)
I can talk precisely and concisely. My code is slowly written but solid. Why dont my interviewers make me feel precious?
Re:“Great resignation” wave coming for companies by hattori31 on Saturday June 19, 2021 @08:25PM (#27565859)
Because they see you as "another one person they have to interview" while they should approach you as someone completely new. I did the same mistake as an interviewer in the past.