I don't want to be.

Many people don't want to avoid things that have massive negative externalities but at some point we have to take responsibility for the harm we cause.

Speak for yourself bud. We only have one life, and it is not for you to decide what other person should eat based on your moralist principles.

Moralist principles aren't really my issue here. Its kinda sad that animals suffer but I understand that not many people care about that. My issue is the massive ecological harm done by eating other animals compared to eating plants.

Climate change and ecosystem collapse are real, concrete problems that are coming home to roost, and I find it incredibly sad that educated, prosperous people don't do the bare minimum they could to reduce these problems.

I want the climate to change.

Why do you assume things you believe are ‘problems’ are problems to others?

Here's one of many examples https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322

>Around 30% of the world’s population is currently exposed to climatic conditions exceeding this deadly threshold for at least 20 days a year. By 2100, this percentage is projected to increase to ∼48% under a scenario with drastic reductions of greenhouse gas emissions and ∼74% under a scenario of growing emissions.

I still don't see how is it my problem?

If not you, who else?

Not my problem who else?

from an ethical perspective, why wouldn’t you want to live in such a way that minimizes suffering?

Animals in the wild die in ways that are orders of magnitude more gruesome than what occurs in a slaughterhouse.

You may be unfamiliar with the activity that takes place in slaughterhouses, then.

The other notable difference is that humans are directly responsible for slaughterhouses, and it's not a nutritional requirement.

We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we?

> We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we?

Doesn't the fact that we can consider such things while lions cannot cement the fact that we have dominion over animals?

> We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we?

Not yet, but we definitely should!

You’re welcome to lead by example, then.

It appears that he was speaking for himself.

No, he was saying we, implying that we [humans] have to take some responsibility or whatever grandiose idea he has in his mind.

Could you describe why you think its "grandiose" to try to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions?

Uh, OK. Guess you get in a lot of fights on the Internet.

People often feel differently about food animals than they do about lab animals. Part of it has to do with the kinds of animals. People get very upset about the treatment of beagles, which are used in research for human eye applications, but not cows. The species seems to be a major factor.