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Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by mrtksn on Sunday June 13, 2021 @02:17AM (#27490231)
Isn't it obvious? They say they don't give advantage to their own apps as a company policy but they made exception to this during an event.

The follow up e-mails indicate that the upper management wasn't happy about this and demanded high level approval before this happens next time.

So it's not really evil Apple caught doing something that they say they don't. Its more like corrupt Apple where someone did something somewhat justifiable(A relevant app being boosted during an event could be justified, though better not make it a habit) and then conveniently forgot to turn it back. Later a high level officer created a mechanism for preventing this happening again.

If it was something fineable, I would have been completely fine if Apple paid a fine and damages to Dropbox and others. Yet, I would stop short from labelling the company as "lying" as their words seem to match their actions with an exception of one event that was taken care of.

Remember the time when it was revealed that Google invited developers to discuss hiring or acquisition but copy their work, apply for patents before them? That also wasn't Google doing it, it was more like "ambitious white collars hacking their way to boost career", to put it lightly.

After all, companies are simply made of people with contracts. Surely the company is responsible for the actions of their employees but there's a distinction between company policy and individuals actions.

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by Closi on Sunday June 13, 2021 @06:06AM (#27491287)
> they made exception to this during an event.

It was for 11 months, and the event was for launching the competitor product.

I would understand the argument if they boosted for a reason which wasn’t to give themselves an advantage over the competition, but in this example that was their exact plan! Boost during launch to give their new competing product a kick start, and give themselves an advantage nobody else has launching a service.

And I might understand it if they boosted to the top for the keyword “files”, but the keyword was “Dropbox”.

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by saurik on Sunday June 13, 2021 @02:55AM (#27490393)
The statement "we do not advantage our apps over those of any developer or competitor" is not about a policy, and is false even if you aren't only doing something "during an event"; eve more to the point: it is even still a lie if you have only done it as some kind of mistake, and even if everyone involved was fired over that mistake. It might be OK that it happened, but it did happen, and you need to explain it and justify the situation... you can't claim it simply doesn't happen and still be considered "honest".
Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by mrtksn on Sunday June 13, 2021 @03:11AM (#27490480)
I am not under the impression that it's a honest mistake. What I think had happen is that someone involved in the Files app let it happen, then boosted about the spectacular adoption rates of the app in their presentations.

The Apple's statement is technically correct as it could be interpreted about what's the current situation or what is their company policy. It doesn't say it never happen.

Think of it like the "muslims don't eat pork" statement. Although the general policy is that muslims don't eat pork, there are clear exceptions where they can eat pork(when no other food is available and they starve). Also, there are muslims that simply love prosciutto and they sin.

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by webmobdev on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:33AM (#27492965)

    Surely the company is responsible for the actions of their employees but there's a distinction between company policy and individuals actions.
And the well-made arguments you have presented is how corporates regularly abuse this "distinction" between company policy and individual action when caught - it was not us, it was this guy. Plausible deniability is standard tactic of management. I would be more willing to accept your version if Apple took public punitive actions against the employees responsible here.
Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by mrtksn on Sunday June 13, 2021 @12:26PM (#27493898)
That depends on the interpretation og the data available. From the published e-mails, my understanding is that an action was taken to stop and prevent it from happening again before the incident was made public which I would interpret as Apple doesn't do it as a company policy.

Of course someone can claim that these were sham mails designed to make upper management look good despite not having any indications whatsoever to support that. I've heard that the world is only 4000 years old and the god put dinosaur fossils to confuse us, therefore I'm willing to accept that people are going to believe whatever they would like to believe.

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by webmobdev on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:25PM (#27496071)

    I'm willing to accept that people are going to believe whatever they would like to believe. 
That's true. What matters is their underlying facts or beliefs that lead them to believe so. I choose to believe that Apple is being duplicitous here because historically, corporates have never been known to be ethical in their business practice nor benevolent when it comes to their competitors. There have been similar issues highlighted here on HN, and elsewhere, that shows that Apple is no different from Google or Microsoft or Amazon or any other tech corporate in hesitating to abuse their status against competitors or anyone disparaging them.
Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by MaxBarraclough on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:16AM (#27490787)
> A relevant app being boosted during an event could be justified, though better not make it a habit

That doesn't stand if it's only Apple's apps and events that get this special treatment. Did Dropbox's app get a boost during Dropbox promotional events?

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by mrtksn on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:19AM (#27490805)
Actually, with iOS 15 that would be the case. They introduced events functionality that is supposed to give extra visibility in the App Store for apps with live events. Check: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/in-app-events/

Anyway, it’s obviously a case of special treatment that was forbidden of being repeated once made aware by the higher management.

Re:Apple admits it ranked its Files app ahead of competitor ... by MaxBarraclough on Sunday June 13, 2021 @04:31AM (#27490857)
Wasn't aware of that, thanks.