Re:Developers can't fix bad management (2020)
by e_d_e_v on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:19AM
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> which is obviously nonsense.
I think I've observed enough of this sentiment over the years, from some very smart and successful people, to come to the conclusion that, if it is nonsense, it is non-obvious.
> I never diminish anyone
Perhaps you never _intend_ to diminish anyone, but to some, your statements may reasonably appear to be diminishing some cohort.
Re:Developers can't fix bad management (2020)
by jpseawell on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:24AM
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I definitely agree that (in general) devs and mgmt do not understand one another.
I think this is bc one practices abstraction while the other practices persuasion.
I see these two forces as equal and opposite. A yin and yang kind of thing.
It appears that the best orgs have these two things in balance.
Re:Developers can't fix bad management (2020)
by warkdarrior on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:35PM
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How are abstraction and persuasion "equal and opposite"? They seem to be completely orthogonal activities.
Re:Developers can't fix bad management (2020)
by jpseawell on Thursday June 10, 2021 @09:22PM
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My idea is that the skills required to build things are at odds with the traits/skills required to persuade.
My cherry picked list:
Building: honesty, introversion, reason Selling: charisma, extroversion, empathy
"Developers aren't some special creatures with one dimensional fixed mindset. They can do whatever that needs to be done."
Yes, but it is ok to generalize in a broad discussion like this one. Otherwise we can have no meaningful conversation. In general managers do not understand developers. And in general developers do not understand management. Those that are good have been exposed to both sides.
I never diminish anyone but it is naive to think that everyone contributes equally.