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Re:iOS 15 Humane by int_19h on Thursday June 10, 2021 @05:56AM (#27458893)
> I don't think it's possible to do both of those things (stability vs hacking) in the same time

Why is it not possible, exactly?

Re:iOS 15 Humane by zuppy on Thursday June 10, 2021 @06:12AM (#27458980)
let me come back to you with a question: do you have an example where this works?

being hackable means exactly the opposite of stability: you can change low level features and break things. if there is a chance to do it, people can be tricked to do it. of course, i'm excluding here people who have knowledge, as i continue to belive that they are a minority.

Re:iOS 15 Humane by fouric on Thursday June 10, 2021 @10:53AM (#27461449)
> do you have an example where this works?

Yes. On my laptop, Linux is extremely stable, and yet extremely hackable. What, Linux doesn't work for you flawlessly? 99% chance it's drivers, which has nothing to do with stability and everything to do with the limited amount of effort that people have poured into drivers on that particular platform.

> being hackable means exactly the opposite of stability

False. "Stability" implicitly means "without modifications". There's no product or (human-made) system in existence that remains stable once you start making arbitrary modifications to it.

> if there is a chance to do it, people can be tricked to do it

Yes, and "freedom" (which is a core tenet of the United States Constitution, where most HN commenters are based) includes the ability to do things that will hurt yourself. "We know what's better for you than you do" leads to tyranny the majority of the time (as it does here, where Apple has full control of their devices and regularly makes decisions that hurt their users).

Moreover, it's relatively easy to design a system that prevents the vast majority of users from shooting themselves in the foot (by making root(-adjacent) access difficult to acquire by accident and fairly difficult to be tricked into doing), and coupled with actual education would keep the levels of this particular kind of computer fraud (where someone convinces you to bypass your computer's security features) well below the rates of other computer fraud (such as falling prey to scam emails).

Re:iOS 15 Humane by fsflover on Thursday June 10, 2021 @07:01AM (#27459261)
> being hackable means exactly the opposite of stability

Any computer with preinstalled Linux will "just work". Typical users will only install apps from the repositories, and those are more secure and private than App Store.

Re:iOS 15 Humane by int_19h on Friday June 11, 2021 @01:39AM (#27469705)
I know many people using Android devices, with no problem "getting tricked into" breaking things. And yet, on mine, I can easily enable side-loading, or even unlock the bootloader.

ChromeOS is a similar story - even more so, actually, given that it can run a full fledged Linux distro within the system.