Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens...
by tzs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:17PM
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Actually, your second link doesn't say what you think it says. It says that people believe that Democrats believe that, not that Democrats believe that. Yes, it seems a weird thing to poll about.
Your fourth link is misleading. You've picked a link from a moment in time when Barr had released his summary of the Meuller report but Meuller's criticism of Barr's summary as being inaccurate had not been released.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens...
by throwawaysea on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @07:10PM
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The second link's poll includes a breakout of Democrats' beliefs in what Democrats believe, in addition to the overall figures. So 65% of Democrats agreed at the time that Democrats don't accept Trump as the legitimate president. I realize it's not the same exact question, but it is similar. There are also other polls that I didn't include that you can find with similar results.
As for the fourth link - I am not sure of the timing of that particular poll (I just pulled that from a search earlier), so I'll have to take your word on that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens...
by dnadler on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:12PM
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The "whataboutism" argument doesn't refute the initial claim. It's simply changing the subject and is effectively surrendering the point.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens...
by Dma54rhs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @03:58PM
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It doesn't refute it but sums up well the American political culture.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens...
by throwawaysea on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:38PM
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I'm not refuting it. I am pointing out that this is a pattern with much precedent, and is not restricted to Republicans or conservatives. A number of comments in this discussion seem to be ascribing belief in improbable scenarios to one political side. If anything, I would say that election denialism is a tit-for-tat game that is now reflecting back the same disbelief that was shown in prior elections. Furthermore, the GP comment suggested that half of the population holding a "crank denialism" is something new. My evidence shows it is clearly not something new.
Democrat voters didn't accept that Trump legitimately won the 2016 election: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems...
Half of Democrat voters believe that Russia literally tampered with vote tallies to help Trump in the 2016 election: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
Such sentiments continued even a couple years after the election: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idU...
Let's also not forget that the Democrats formally challenged election results in 2000, 2004, and 2016 - all the recent presidential elections they lost: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republic...