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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by oh_sigh on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:49PM (#27450141)
Most people who voted for Trump believe Trump lost to Biden.
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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by iso1210 on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:56PM (#27450242)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-...

> May opinion poll finds that 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the ‘true president’ compared with 3% of Democrats

> About one-quarter of adults falsely believe the 3 November election was tainted by illegal voting, including 56% of Republicans, according to the poll.

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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by oh_sigh on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @04:06PM (#27452461)
An online-only poll of 700 people is not particularly compelling.
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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by iso1210 on Thursday June 10, 2021 @04:06AM (#27458195)
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cnn-poll-voting-...

But the share of Republicans who falsely say there is solid evidence that Biden did not win has dropped from 58% in January to 50% now

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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by throwawaysea on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:59PM (#27450278)
This happened with the previous election too. For one, Hillary literally claimed Trump stole the election and called him an 'illegitimate president', adding to that widespread belief: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum...

Democrat voters didn't accept that Trump legitimately won the 2016 election: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems...

Half of Democrat voters believe that Russia literally tampered with vote tallies to help Trump in the 2016 election: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

Such sentiments continued even a couple years after the election: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idU...

Let's also not forget that the Democrats formally challenged election results in 2000, 2004, and 2016 - all the recent presidential elections they lost: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republic...

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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by tzs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:17PM (#27451223)
Actually, your second link doesn't say what you think it says. It says that people believe that Democrats believe that, not that Democrats believe that. Yes, it seems a weird thing to poll about.

Your fourth link is misleading. You've picked a link from a moment in time when Barr had released his summary of the Meuller report but Meuller's criticism of Barr's summary as being inaccurate had not been released.

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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by throwawaysea on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @07:10PM (#27454556)
The second link's poll includes a breakout of Democrats' beliefs in what Democrats believe, in addition to the overall figures. So 65% of Democrats agreed at the time that Democrats don't accept Trump as the legitimate president. I realize it's not the same exact question, but it is similar. There are also other polls that I didn't include that you can find with similar results.

As for the fourth link - I am not sure of the timing of that particular poll (I just pulled that from a search earlier), so I'll have to take your word on that. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by dnadler on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:12PM (#27450472)
The "whataboutism" argument doesn't refute the initial claim. It's simply changing the subject and is effectively surrendering the point.
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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by Dma54rhs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @03:58PM (#27452372)
It doesn't refute it but sums up well the American political culture.
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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by throwawaysea on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:38PM (#27450762)
I'm not refuting it. I am pointing out that this is a pattern with much precedent, and is not restricted to Republicans or conservatives. A number of comments in this discussion seem to be ascribing belief in improbable scenarios to one political side. If anything, I would say that election denialism is a tit-for-tat game that is now reflecting back the same disbelief that was shown in prior elections. Furthermore, the GP comment suggested that half of the population holding a "crank denialism" is something new. My evidence shows it is clearly not something new.
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