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Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by duxup on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:14PM (#27449634)
Yeah what the heck happened there.

"same cabal"

Everything is a grand singular conspiracy to someone these days. Happens on HN too, every few bad news type post has some accusation that whatever outcome was because of a conspiracy.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by lliamander on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:37PM (#27449977)
Well, to be fair, there was a self-decribed cabal of sorts that worked to change election laws, curtail protests, and pressure social media companies leading up to the 2020 election.

Whether what they did was in any way illicit or undermines the integrity of U.S. elections is of course up for debate, but the fact that a secret coordinated effort of powerful people "conspired" (if you will) to influence the outcome of the election is I think well established.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by duxup on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:43PM (#27450072)
That's not fair, that's just some unrelated thing...
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by lliamander on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:15PM (#27450507)
It was a conspiracy that the original twitter thread brought up, and you seemed to be criticizing conspiratorial thinking in general.

My point was that, of the conspiracies mentioned by the original user, the conspiracy to influence the 2020 election was openly acknowledged by its participants.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by duxup on Thursday June 10, 2021 @11:49AM (#27462092)
I guess I don't really understand the idea that "oh there was a conspiracy of some sort, sometime..." when it has no connection to the claimed conspiracy.

Seems like that's a common refrain from conspiracy theory fans, when they can't find evidence for their claim 'well there was another thing' comes up.... I'm not sure what they're trying to say.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by cronix on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:57PM (#27450248)
Yeah, different cabal.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by lliamander on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @05:18PM (#27453348)
I didn't claim it was all the same cabal. However, it's very likely there are some actors with membership in both.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by mkr-hn on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:17PM (#27450527)
Cabals really should coordinate better to avoid confusion.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by booleandilemma on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:24PM (#27451299)
Is it time to disrupt cabals?
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by mkr-hn on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @03:04PM (#27451766)
Where's Y Cabalnator when you need it?
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by p_j_w on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:25PM (#27449800)
The crazy thing is that no grand conspiracy is required, this is just a function (and an entirely predictable one) of the ever increasing levels of wealth inequality that we see. No political "pincher" movement required, it's just people with money finding ways to use that money to make more money.

As an aside, this isn't a username I expected to ever see again.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by duxup on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:41PM (#27450042)
Agreed. Most of this is just obvious motivations to do a thing.

Recent HN article about the SCOTUS and CFAA ruling was full of folks who felt that CFAA must have been some corporatism-ish conspiracy to pass (Computer Fraud and Abuse Act) a law back in 1986 and then criminalize basic policy rules as a serious crime. And yet apparently they just chose not to do that at any sort of scale...

Rather, the most logical explanation is that some folks made some bad choices when it came to applying that law, because it was convenient for them.

As far as my username, duxup loves you.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by ceres on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:45PM (#27450089)
>this isn't a username I expected to ever see again

Mind if I ask what you mean by this?

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by p_j_w on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:52PM (#27450189)
duxup was a fairly prolific user on kuro5hin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuro5hin).
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by mixmastamyk on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:51PM (#27451607)
You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. Often attributed to George Carlin.
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by jtdev on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:29PM (#27449869)
Consider that you may be far too trusting if you’re not considering conspiracy as a possibility at this point…
Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by philistine on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:40PM (#27450026)
A conspiracy means that the truth about something is different from what we currently know. JFK, moon landing, flat Earth.

Where is the conspiracy with banks buying houses en masse? They intend to turn every middle class family into a permanent renter and take any profit of the housing market for themselves. This is exactly what’s happening.

We can simply say that this problem is more important than people believe, or that the media does not talk about it enough because it’s difficult to write about. But there’s no conspiracy here.

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by jtdev on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @01:39PM (#27450777)
con•spir•a•cy kən-spîr′ə-sē► n.

An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

Like, maybe the Fed is conspiring with the gov. and big banks to fleece the American people of their real estate assets…? Have you no ability to question things?

Re:If you sell a house these days, the buyer might be a pens... by duxup on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @12:37PM (#27449976)
I would argue exactly the opposite.