Edit: figured I might as well look it up and be precise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_Netherlands 900 TWh primary energy, 115 TWh electricity.
you say that as if solutions can't be composed by aggregate
Bitcoin deserves to be a first-tier target for reducing carbon emissions. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t target other energy consumption too.
- Every member of mankind who chose to invest in Bitcoin for any meaningful length of time would argue it provided immense utility to them. At 150-200 million Hodlers, that is bigger than Japan.
- Every member of mankind who appreciates having an alternative to forced negative interest rates, or random haircuts to bank savings accounts (e.g. Gibraltor) appreciates having Bitcoin as an option
- A store of value that is impervious to the ravages of inflation and operates outside the domain of politicians or central banks is incredibly useful for mankind, but not maybe so useful to those who wish to rule over mankind
Bitcoin is:
- the people’s money
- peer-to-peer digital gold
- rules without rulers
- the hardest reserve currency ever invented (better than gold)
All that and it consumes less energy per year than YouTube or even hairdryers.
> Bitcoin deserves to be a first-tier target for reducing carbon emissions.
No, no it doesn’t
> That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t target other energy consumption too.
Yes, I agree completely - and we should prioritize the biggest and dirtiest energy consumption first if our goal is to address the real problem instead of virtue signaling.
There are a long list of polluting environmentally destructive activities much worse than Bitcoin such as Gold for example. 100% of Gold is strip-mined with non-renewable energy. Maybe we should convince the world’s central banks to dump their gold reserves for Bitcoin. Or maybe shut down the world’s hair dryer production because it uses more energy than Bitcoin.
There’s an idea.
It's burning fossil fuel, transport and deforestation that causes climate change. For all you know, the worlds biggest miners are using renewable energy? I mean that could be theoretically possible.
We know they're not. Bitcoin miners seek out the cheapest energy, which is mostly fossil.
We know that even decommissioned fossil fuel power plants are being reopened for this purpose.
That's not some kind of SJW propaganda, you can read about it in the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-miners-are-giving-new-l...
My understanding is that the cheapest electricity sources are a result of massive excess energy available far from population sources. These are often renewables including hydro, wind, solar, nuclear and geothermal. In some cases older coal plants with excess capacity will be cheap in the short term, but these are always going to suffer from material operating cost per Gigawatt to pay for fuel, unlike renewable alternatives which mostly require upfront investment but not ongoing fuel expense.
Once the capital is spent on renewable capacity it is a sunk cost and the marginal cost of electricity production is close to zero. That can never be the case for coal or othe fossil fuels that will always have some marginal fuel cost per unit of electricity produced.
If dirty coal and other hydrocarbons are the problem, lets tax or ban those.
You should be more concerned that your government hasn't banned coal power generation.
[1] https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-01-03/solar-now-chea...
The problem needs to be solved at the source, burning fossil fuels needs to be stopped, today!
Turning off bitcoin would immediately remove a sizable developed nation sized chunk of annual co2 production, and would negatively impact practically nobody in comparison.
People fixate on it because it would be a trivially easy win.
The tundra in Siberia holds methane equivalent to 100 years of 2020 emissions. When that stuff starts melting (and it's already exploding) the bitcoin experiment will be a drop in the ocean.
> Global warming isn't real.
To:
> Global warming is real, but it's not our fault.
To:
> Global warming is our fault, but it's too expensive to fix.
To, finally, sentiments like this. Summarized as:
> Global warming is out fault and we could fix it. But why bother, it's too far gone already.
At this point pessimism has set in. I'm just tired. COVID showed us that the capacity for personal sacrifice in western nations is very low indeed. I don't expect anyone will want to do anything about global warming if it threatens their job, hobbies, or investments. Long term consequences be damned.
We just don't have societal mechanisms that would do this. Look at veganism or similar movements (like the collective movement around quarantine, masks and vaccines). People just do not want to change, they do not want to think rationally or can't and they will mock everything that challenges their status quo.
We've made great technological strides in energy efficiency over the last few decades. From more efficient lighting and appliances to electric cars to cheaper clean energy sources like photovoltaics. By contrast, Bitcoin in a new technology that is not an efficiency improvement. In fact, it threatens to wipe out all that incremental progress. It's a heel-turn from a sector of the economy that, for a time, held the promise that it could find a way for us to address global warming through technological innovation.
What about mass international air travel? There are lots of novel things happening, why focus on bitcoin?
Besides, I don't work in the fracking industry, I work in the software industry. And it's painful to see my industry contributing to the problem in such a thoughtless way. Maybe if this was Fracking News and people were bashing on bitcoin you'd have a point.
What about banning people from going for a drive just for fun, or on a holiday via aircraft ?
It's a lot easier for governments to ban coal fire power stations and fracking replacing them with renewables and hydrogen storage.
This is actually something we can control and do without taking over people's freedoms.
- citation needed
A store of value is a valid use case of a currency and Bitcoin has proven to be an amazing store of value compared with all fiat currencies that have been debased by their respective governments.
Bitcoin may also someday prove to be a viable unit of account in the future as it stabilizes and matures in price discovery, but fiat currencies by design will never be good stores of value.
Any Austrian school economist who understands the benefits of the Gold standard would tell you that the hard fixed supply of Bitcoin makes it a better currency for the people than any fiat currency.
My understanding is that close to 100% of gold is mined using non-renewable energy. 100% of gold is strip mined in a rape of the planet that leaves the land completely unusable.
Gold production is at least 10x as environmentally destructive as bitcoin, half of which is mined using renewable energy.
I vote we ban coal plants and strip mining and boycott any country that violates the pledge. If we are being objective we should focus our efforts on the largest sources of pollution. Energy production isn’t the problem. Dirty energy production is the problem.
Since Bitcoin miners are mobile and constantly seeking the lowest cost electricity, if we ban dirty electricity production, Bitcoin actually incentivizes the production and development of new clean energy sources by opening up remote options that were not previously viable.
Agriculture, fossil fuels, transportation and manufacturing for single use products are some of the highest order problems to me.
But maybe that's just my Western experience.
But, if you want a responsive, accountable political system, you cannot also maintain enclaves of extreme wealth, power and privilege. People wouldn’t put up with it.
Now, just so we're clear, I'm not judging these people and I don't want to polarize COVID and the government response in any ways.
But if wearing a mask is seen as restrictive, imagine the societal changes required to truly address climate change.
Folks, the party is over. The response to climate change will make COVID measures seem like a day at the water park.
Fixing the american power grid for the challenges of the next 500 years is a multi-generational project that will cost way more than a few trillion dollars.