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Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by tomp on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:44AM (#27436656)
Can you explain how this works, how it avoids tax? Taking a $100 loan still means you’ll need an income of $100 (plus interest) future income and tax paid on this income...

If you’re gonna say “they benefit in the extra capital gains between now and when the loan is repaid” - no, that can’t be it, that’s exactly equivalent to taking a $100 loan and investing in stocks instead (i.e. leverage).

Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by cj on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:48AM (#27436726)
1) You purchased $100 of SPY on June 15th, 2020

2) You're buying a house, and you need $100 today.

3) You sell $100 of SPY, and pay short-term capital gains (up to 37%)

OR...

1) You purchased $100 of SPY on June 15th, 2020

2) You're buying a house, and you need $100 today.

3) You take a loan for $100

4) You wait until June 15th, 2021 and then sell $100 of your SPY holdings, paying long-term capital gains (15-20%)

5) You repay the $100 loan

...it doesn't really avoid tax. It's just an alternative way of accessing capital by taking out a loan instead of liquidating assets.

Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by rocho on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @10:04AM (#27447959)
That's not accurate. It has several benefits (like interest payments being deductible expenses) and wealthy people can continuously borrow to pay off other debts as their other assets appreciate. You just need the rate of appreciation of your assets to be higher than the interest rate. For very big loans, it's quite possible.

Finally, it's also possible to roll the gains into a trust and the cost basis is adjusted to zero on death. [0] So yes, it's tax avoidance.

[0]: E.g. this is how it's possible to do that: https://wellergroupllc.com/taxes-resources/tax140-guide-dete...

Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by derivagral on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:55PM (#27439960)
The above basically arbitrages long-term vs short-term capgains for the price of 1 APY cycle, right? That's ~23% for short in the USA, and up to income-level (37%?) for short-term. Quite a big difference for a 2-5% APY loan that you close after 1 year, and the numbers would seem to scale better the higher you go.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by dakial1 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:12PM (#27437095)
But if the asset sale + the debt leaves you at a loss wouldn't you be able to avoid paying the capital gaibs over the asset sale?
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by cj on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:29PM (#27437375)
The theoretical assumes SPY increased over the time period. If it decreased, you could of course sell it and pay 0% since your investment lost money, short/long-term gains wouldn’t matter because there wouldn’t be any gains.

I might be misunderstanding your question though.

Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by MR4D on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:52PM (#27437666)
Debt is not a loss unless you default on it.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by dakial1 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:22PM (#27437255)
https://youtu.be/8pBPZMUcsh0 They never sell, they borrow over that invested money and pay 3% (interest) instead of 37% (income tax)
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by jedberg on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:47AM (#27436712)
The assumption is that you are using the money for an income generating activity like buying a rental property.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by tomp on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:55AM (#27436819)
The correct expression to use to refer to such money is “loan”, not “tax evasion”.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by mciancia on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:51AM (#27436771)
Hm, but income from rental is also taxed, isn't it? If so, how does it help?
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by jedberg on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:52AM (#27436785)
The income from the rental is taxed, but slowly over decades. You don't have to take that entire tax hit in one year.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by notahacker on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:09PM (#27437056)
Also, people buying rental property from cash they earned from wages or selling their business pay tax on the wages/gains and the rental income, not just the latter...
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by alex_young on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:54AM (#27436809)
You can also sell it and take the gains tax free in many cases.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by MR4D on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:54PM (#27437683)
Short of a 1031 exchange, I'm not sure how you would do that.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by alex_young on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @05:19PM (#27440995)
You can sell a house every 2 years and write off up to $500k in capital gains as long as it’s been your primary residence for 2 of the last 5 years. Doesn’t need to be consecutive.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by MR4D on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @07:12AM (#27446561)
Sure, but you have to stomach the 6% commission you’re paying to the brokers, which really limits this situation to transitory market conditions instead of a get rich quick strategy.
Re:We are publishing the tax secrets of the .001% by 8note on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @02:49PM (#27451583)
Chances are it doesn't, but the IRS won't go after rich people if they claim they don't have any taxes to pay.