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Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by wyager on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:14PM (#27429893)
If the FBI has broke any of Secp256k1, SHA256, or RIPE160, (they have not) they’re not going to blow that on a $3M haul.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by fkfowl3 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @05:39AM (#27432268)
They just mention they had access to the private key of the account so that makes sense how they got access. If FBI has broken SHA256, then Bitcoin is a done deal. I hope they share how they got access to the private key.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by donkarma on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:34AM (#27434284)
It'd be a big blow but not the end of the Bitcoin
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by flatiron on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:52AM (#27434472)
what do you mean? if they broke sha256 in any meaningful way then people can skip (or significantly game) the whole mining thing...
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by thebean11 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:56AM (#27436838)
The mining algorithm can just be changed with a hard fork.

The only think that would irrevocably kill Bitcoin is breaking private keys (ie discovering others private keys, or signing transactions without private keys). A fork could not solve it as there'd be no way to prove which coins you actually owned before the fork.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by cyanydeez on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:22PM (#27443167)
many people speculate that quantum computing would crack private keys in no time.

theres no speculation that this exists, but bitcoin wouldnt last in a commercial world of quantum algos

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by dhsysusbsjsi on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:42AM (#27447724)
Wrong. IF there exists a general purpose formula (which isn't known yet) for all quantum problems, so secp256k1 is broken, then it would only reduce the complexity sqrt(N), from 2^256 down to 2^128. Which is unsolvable. (source: Stanford cryptography I course on coursera).

AND even if the elliptic curve cryptography of bitcoin is broken, say you can solve it in a year/month/week/day, the fact is most BTC unspent transaction outputs (UTXO's) are scripted "pay to public key hash".

The entity proving ownership of the UTXO needs to show a public key (that is so far unknown ... if they haven't reused this address before), AND this public key needs to hash into the address, AND the signature signed by the private key verified.

So if somebody announced they had solved secp256k1 and could break it in 1 week, your funds are safe. (1) They probably don't know your public key. Relax. And (2) You just wait for the BTC soft fork to support new crypto, then do a transfer to yourself. You transmit your transaction to the mempool (exposing your public key for the first time), and it will be mined in 10-30 minutes. Not enough time for the hackers to monitor the mempool and come up with a valid signature. Then your new UTXO is a different spend script for how to spend it next time using some new unbreakable crypto.

Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by thebean11 on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:57AM (#27447870)
As long as there was some pre warning that such a quantum computer+algorithm was going to become available, Bitcoin would be able to fork, and users would be able to move their funds to quantum proofed (or at least hardened) wallets.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by quirino on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @08:57AM (#27434522)
It surely depends on which aspect of SHA they would have broken, but the whole point of Bitcoin is the hash being completely unpredictable and requiring brute force. That's the Work in Proof of Work.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by wyager on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:04AM (#27434602)
Bitcoin has contingencies in place to swap out any of its crypto algorithms.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by onetimemanytime on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:24AM (#27430631)
They might be saving for bigger things, however this is a lot more than $3million. It's about holding the US economy hostage, as these will increase in frequency.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by galaxyLogic on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:17AM (#27431200)
Indeed, stopping large-scale oil pipelines means US economy is held hostage, to a degree. Not all of it but some of it. Question is will it increase or not. This FBI action gives us some hope that criminals can be stopped.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by 7dare on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @06:58AM (#27433394)
Can be stopped? Doesn't sound like this is what happened here, the company paying the ransom is what stopped the hostage. The FBI simply recovered the ransom (and some more), but probably can't cover for the economic damage from the hold-up.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by stingraycharles on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:11AM (#27431170)
How is this holding the US economy hostage?
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by kick_in_the_doo on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:31AM (#27431265)
Randomware attacks on energy (oil and potentially electric grid) and hospitals. And that's only what we've seen so far.
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by cdaven on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @02:37AM (#27431299)
"Randomware" sounds much more fun. Like Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans, but for software. :-)
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by arcticbull on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @03:39AM (#27431637)
You may know it as "undefined behavior" ;)
Re:DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware... by kick_in_the_doo on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:49PM (#27437628)
XD