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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by sschueller on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:48AM (#27421918)
"net win for humanity" can be taken two ways. Elon / Jeff not making it back could also be considered a "win" even if dark. For the good they have done they have done a lot of damage to humanity on their way to become billionaires.
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by fsloth on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:52AM (#27421955)
Could you be more specific? "A lot of damage to humanity" is a quite strong claim with deep ethical implications. I would prefer a concrete example of such an act.
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by sschueller on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:12AM (#27422141)
It would take me a week to go through every detail but wikipedia has some summaries:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(company)#Controversies

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.#Lawsuits_and_contr...

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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by fsloth on Monday June 07, 2021 @10:05AM (#27422758)
"It would take me a week to go through every detail"

I did not request every incident, but just one concrete example that would validate the quite strong characterization.

In the United States being sued is not a proof of guilt, it's just a proof of being sued.

This is unlike in some other countries, where the guilt of the person is presupposed and the purpose of the court ruling is just to make it official.

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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by whitepaint on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:23AM (#27422265)
What constitutes "lots of damage to humanity" in those paragraphs you've provided?
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by whitepaint on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:50AM (#27421933)
What damage did they do?
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by Ticklee on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:54AM (#27421964)
Manipulated the price of certain crypto, and monopolized e-commerce.
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by whitepaint on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:10AM (#27422124)
Speculative bubble getting bigger and bigger by attracting greater and greater fools. No matter what Elon does or says, it's just a zero-sum game. What would the humanity lose if Bitcoin disappeared right now? Absolutely nothing (except people who hold it would lose their "investments").

To the second point, you should look into the definition of monopoly. Amazon is a behemoth, not a monopoly. And they have created immense value.

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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by SergeAx on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:56AM (#27421982)
Yes, that crypto thing was a real damage for humanity.
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by Ticklee on Monday June 07, 2021 @08:59AM (#27422016)
The people who are hurt by dips whether artificial or not are invariably going to be new, small time investors.

Even if you think they shouldn't gamble with their money I find it hard to argue there was no damage done.

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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by SergeAx on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:09AM (#27422108)
What about gains from allegedly manipulating those cryptos up? Are those universally good for humanity?
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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by Ticklee on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:14AM (#27422163)
God no, I'm no crypto-nut don't get me wrong.

Propping up a bubble destined to pop is bad too, so why get involved?

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Re:Jeff Bezos will fly on the first passenger spaceflight of... by meepmorp on Monday June 07, 2021 @09:11AM (#27422138)
Think of the millions of starving kids in 3rds world countries who might've been lifted out of poverty, but for Musk's mercurial tweets about Bitcoin.
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