I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist? It moved from Communism to a form of Capitalism where the single party is basically in control of who is allowed to make money; something that can be taken away by the party at any time. In just a few decades, China managed to have nearly has many billionaires as the US and it won't be long before the US is left in the dust (not that it's a particularly great metric, just shows capitalistic opportunities).

China has no respect for boundaries but demands others to respect theirs so it's not like they don't care. They do care all right, a bit too much actually if you ask Vietnam and the Philippines...

It's just a matter of what they can get away with. China is flexing its power and it will fill any void (ie Africa) where it can see an opportunity to exploit. It's not like other countries haven't done that before but China is now eager for resources and influence and they are big...

> I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist.

China has been socialist since the communists won the Chinese civil war in 1949.

China employs capitalist methods in order to further its productive capabilities in order to complete it socialist revolution. Ultimately the Chinese communist party has full and final control of all property. In other words Chinese “capitalism” does not entail private property rights as are guarded in constitutions in other countries.

Educational material:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_chara...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution

https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-c...

That's just a propaganda of the CCP to hide the fact that Communism has failed their people and now they need to adopt a certain degree of Capitalism with free market to boost the economy. Same thing with the Vietnamese, an attempt to rebrand their Communism.

Actually the propaganda is that China is just a capitalist democratic country that is no longer socialist.

From the article:

> in July 2011 President Hu Jintao stressed that ‘China is still in the primary stage of socialism and will remain so for a long time to come’ (Xinhua, 2011)

China is very very interested in progressing the socialist and finally communist agenda. Believing otherwise is ignorance.

Show me the equivalent of the 5th amendment in Chinese law protecting private property rights. And please don’t forget... Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.

And READ the educational material before commenting!

That's what they claims, but not what they do.

This is the amendment you asked for: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/16/china

>The highly symbolic law - which also removed preferential tax rates for foreign companies operating in China - was overwhelmingly passed by the National People's Congress (NPC) on the final day of its annual two-week session in Beijing.

Seriously?

Again, there’s no judicial review. If you take the communist government to court because they violated the law, the court can’t make the government do anything.

The laws are only to promote production to increase the country's productive output. At any time the government can strip you of your property and redistribute it... which HAS happened numerous times already, without recourse, not appropriate compensation.

How can you possibly argue that faux property laws mean the country is not socialist??

The sooner the wider community accepts that China is a totalitarian regime with a long term communist agenda, the sooner we can stop allowing them to take advantage of the international community.

Property theft, land and sea right violation... corporate espionage. All are part of the official Chinese communist party aims.

> Yet China’s courts cannot invoke the constitution in rulings, so such a change will offer limited legal protection to peasants

https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-retrograde-rural-land-polici...

How China’s Legal System Enables Intellectual Property Theft

https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/how-chinas-legal-system-enab...

Human Rights Practices: China

https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-...

What I got from your reply is that your samples of socialism are only confined to China. I don't recognize it to be the same as for something like European socialism, China's "socialism" just a name that the CCP would like call themselves ( and this by definition is a propaganda ).

>And READ the educational material before commenting!

Seems like a real condescending way to reply.

You keep using that word Socialism, but I don’t think it means what you think it means. If you want to let ok at true socialism, look to Scandinavia. China might call what they are doing socialism, but come on, they could call it anything they want and it would still be whatever they want it to be.

Europe's socialism (for example) is very different from the Chinese one and does not suppress its citizen's private property rights. The generalization you made about socialism is not accurate outside China.

While Chinese communism is different than European, they both stem from Marxist socialism.

Private property rights are only for the good of the state. What laws exist, are for the good of the socialist system, and can be amended by the communist party at any time. Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.

“Private property” in China is for the benefit of the state. The basic tenant of Chinese government... “From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs” means redistribution is always in the hands of the state.

READ the educational material!

Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this.

China is socialist under their own definition of socialism. Yet they have heard the siren song and have been steadily marching closer to a state-aided crony capitalist system that resembles Russia's current system, but much better managed.

> Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this.

When did I say that? I never did. China is Socialist AND Totalitarian.

> China is socialist under their own definition of socialism

"Socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

And PLEASE read this before replying:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...

You didn't actually respond to the comment. Both stemming from Marxism doesn't somehow make them magically the same, as you seem to be implying.

Again, China's 'socialism' is very different nearly all variations found in Western Democracies.

I’m not implying they are the same. I’m saying it’s still socialism.

Private property under China is fundamentally different. The communist party can redistribute it any time. You can’t sue the Chinese government to get your property back, as they can amend any laws at will.

So it being different than European communism doesn’t meant it’s not socialism.

Communism is a real-world application of socialism... Socialism itself doesn't work on real people.

source: was born in a former socialist/communist country.. both former "socialist" and former country.

Yes, it does. Socialism does not accept the premise of private ownership of the "means of production", but most private property isn't in that set.

That would be the difference between "private" and "personal" property, for reference.

What types of socialist theory are Chinese youth taught? Many people argue that China is no longer a socialist economy. They have investments and lots of private ownership.

The lack of education or at least lack of willingness to read and educate oneself in this thread shouldn’t surprise me yet again.

I can only come to the conclusion that social media is a net negative on society, since I can’t help educate ignorance, and people are unwilling to educate themselves when they have firmly held beliefs.

Social media simply allows people to become more entrenched. And some people will view this comment as the same, a form of relativism. The difference that social media comments gloss over, is there are often truths vs falsehoods. Facts vs prejudice. Social media makes it too easy to confuse the two.

HN... you are more of the same. Like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc etc. Unless these websites take measures to actively mod dis-information, they will be a net negative.

Don’t get me wrong. It’s definitely debatable how China’s socialism has evolved, what elements of Capitalism it now uses. What it’s future path holds. But no textbook, no Encyclopedia will claim that China is not socialist. To do so is not only ignorant, but in the current climate aids a propaganda narrative that continues to allow massive human rights violations.

It’s time social media sites say that user base size, absolute profits, etc are not more important than facts. More people get their information from social media than textbooks, educational systems, and primary sources than ever before.

Democracies which require informed citizenship cannot survive in such circumstances.

The writing is on the wall all around us. Let’s educate ourselves before we fall into darkness

“The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.” — Carl Sagan

This is more a problem of rampant, unchecked capitalism than anything else.