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Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by godot on Friday June 04, 2021 @12:55PM (#27395696)
> Working class shoppers. Sure, it’s elitist, but people like shopping alongside people in their own stratum.

Not going to comment on the ethics/politics of it, but if people like shopping alongside people in their own stratum, then they have to accept that they have to pay a premium for it (i.e. shop at Whole Foods). You can't really say "I want to shop at the discount store but I also want only other wealthy people to be there".

If you accept that premise, then perhaps Walmart doesn't have an image problem, it's simply the fact that it's the cheapest place to shop in the neighborhood, so lower income folks will more likely shop there.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by frankydp on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:01PM (#27401267)
To be clear the actual wealthy people always shop at Walmart, because, ya know, they are wealthy because they don't waste money on more expensive groceries because the floors are nicer, and they probably don't mind being around other hard working people.

Only half tongue in cheek, and completely agreeing with you.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by faeriechangling on Saturday June 05, 2021 @02:35AM (#27402752)
The difference I see with more upper class stores especially ones like Whole Foods is they tend to be in dense layouts where it is literally more time efficient to get your shopping done, and the stores are frequently placed on higher value property which is closer to the wealthy patrons. They tend to have a good selection of healthful foods maybe with pricy grass fed animal products with a higher ratio of omega3s, nitrate free cured meats, food for special diets like gluten-free, and all variety of things which are in a certain sense practical. Also generally the food of equal nutritional value tends to taste better, which makes it easier to stomach your conscientious diet.

If your wealth is such that food cost is a fairly negligible part of your expenses, USUALLY the Walmart will be further away located on less expensive real estate, roaming around the Walmart supercenter can literally take more time (both of these points are, to be fair eliminated by curbside pickup/delivery), the variety might be good but it's of foods that might not necessarily be worth the cost savings, the meat & produce might be alright but it's rarely going to be exceptional. It's not that any cook worth their salt can't go to Walmart and cook some fantastic food, it's that the real fancy store can be the path of least resistance.

I patronize both stores, tending to make runs to Walmart type stores for mostly non-perishables sold at superior prices. Honestly I feel more uncomfortable among wealthy patrons can poor ones. I can feel a miasma of snootiness around me in an upscale enough shop.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by pm90 on Saturday June 05, 2021 @02:47AM (#27402808)
What I've noticed with "upscale" stores like Whole Foods is that their "experience" is just totally different from WalMart (others have pointed this out in other threads).

For people beyond a certain income level, a few dollars in savings aren't as attractive as shopping in a place where people seem to be more "happy". Many of these stores also tend to have an attached gourmet cafe where you can grab a "healthy" bite post/pre shopping. The whole foods in Downtown Austin even has yoga classes (an other fitness activities) on its terrace.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by crowman on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:52PM (#27402008)
Almost correct- they get the curbside dropoff and never leave their car. At least, this is what the high (~5MM) net worth family I know does.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by nemothekid on Saturday June 05, 2021 @12:40AM (#27402242)
The "wealthy people only shop frugally" is about as truthful as "millenials are poor because they only eat avocado toast."
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by g00gler on Friday June 04, 2021 @01:43PM (#27396408)
> if people like shopping alongside people in their own stratum, then they have to accept that they have to pay a premium for it (i.e. shop at Whole Foods).

I agree that Walmart can be extremely unpleasant compared to a regular grocery store for many reasons.

However, I’ve found Whole Foods staff to be extremely unwelcoming unless you seem like you fit in regardless of how much money you make.

Can definitely recommend wegmans for a more upscale shopping experience (Eg fancy cheeses, meats, selection of fish) without any of that “too cool for school” factor if you’re not in an “in” group.

Edit: Trader Joe’s is also pretty cool but it reminds me a bit of Aldi.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by quartesixte on Friday June 04, 2021 @09:51PM (#27401212)
Thats cuz apparently Trader Joe’s IS an Aldi’s!

Well, not originally, but they’re owned by Aldi Nord for a while now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trader_Joe's

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by late2part on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:03PM (#27401278)
Yes! I remember my first time at Whole Foods I asked where to find the Coca Cola and they were very rude about not carrying it.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by mc32 on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:26PM (#27401442)
Forget a Coke (never mind they have other non-alc fizzy drinks) The don’t carry Aspirin (or Advil or Tylenol, but whatever, but Aspirin, WTF?!
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by jldugger on Saturday June 05, 2021 @12:36AM (#27402220)
> The don’t carry Aspirin

Maybe if some branded it as 'willow leaf pain relief' they'd carry it. It's natural and it rhymes!

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by Rapzid on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:45PM (#27401577)
HEB Central Market has excellent cheeses.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by pm90 on Saturday June 05, 2021 @02:49AM (#27402816)
Central Market is probably what I miss the most about Texas (apart from the excellent BBQ).
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by potta_coffee on Friday June 04, 2021 @01:51PM (#27396524)
I pay more to avoid WalMart. I'm not even an elitist, I've just noticed in my area, the greeters are rude. After maybe 3 bad experiences in a row, I've decided to never go to WalMart ever again and it's been over a year since I've shopped there.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by frankydp on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:05PM (#27401290)
So to be clear you are not an elitist, but you don't shop at the lower cost store, because the greeter was having a bad day and was not nice enough to you and should have known what class you are and should have shown more reverence?.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by alephnan on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:50PM (#27401611)
> you don't shop at the lower cost store, because the greeter was having a bad day and was not nice enough to you

People at Wal-mart have a bad day all the time. It's about the customer service. I have less anxiety knowing that if I do run into problems in the store, the staff would be more approachable.

> what class you are and should have shown more reverence

I didn't read the original comment this way. It sounds like you are projecting a bit

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by frankydp on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:55PM (#27401663)
I would also hope that customer service is awesome all the time, but saying the greeter was not nice enough is a pretty specific dog whistle.

I shop at the wally all the time, and I am just calling an elitist a spade free of any strawman you want to pile on.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by alephnan on Friday June 04, 2021 @11:19PM (#27401800)
> I would also hope that customer service is awesome all the time, but saying the greeter was not nice enough is a pretty specific dog whistle.

You're probably white and haven't experienced casual racism that exists at Wal-mart and less worldly venues

> dog whistle

> calling an elitist a spade free of any strawman you want to pile on.

Is it an elitist dog whistle when less affluent people also avoid Wal-mart on the sentiment that it's not actually a better value proposition such that customer service is a differentiating factor ? There is extreme poverty where people have to squeeze every penny out of their expenses even if it means trading their time for those pennies, but I'd hardly call a family in the middle ( below the middle class ) vying for Costco or a Target as having elitist preferences.

You're the one who sounds like an elitist white knight suggesting less affluent people have zero options and necessarily have to shop at Wal-mart. For example, Dollar Stores have great service, not actually cheaper, but is perceived as a cost saving to less affluent people.

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by frankydp on Saturday June 05, 2021 @12:06AM (#27402077)
Please dial down the racism.

I love you. Fight the hate!

Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by potta_coffee on Saturday June 05, 2021 @02:50AM (#27402821)
Repetitively running into grumpy people in a particular place, and choosing to avoid that, is hardly elitism. You're choosing to interpret my statements in the least charitable way possible.
Re:Leaked Walmart memo reveals competitive threats by frankydp on Sunday June 06, 2021 @11:47PM (#27418821)
I apologize for using your comment in an attempt to narrate a more pejorative point about individuals and brands using service and experience and price to passively class separate. Not that I have a problem targeting a market, just with not being forthright about it.