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Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by bloqs on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:29AM (#27378184)
1.Interesting, the vast majority of these are not work related for me. Maybe one a year is in some way useful

2. I would contest that with sufficient quality screen share this simply so marginal it's dismissable

3. This makes several assumptions about personality and socialising and isn't always the case. Forcing people to see each other does not create social closeness. Sustaining good friendships over instant message is very much the norm. I think occasional in person meetings or, more deliberate collaborative effort if fully remote can create this just fine.

4. Distractions in the office, drive bys, noise of neighbours and even digital distraction vs a small degree of self discipline (using one monitor, phone on dnd can help too) ... I dont buy this at all.

5. See above - if you have children then that is understandable, however I would wager that correct work/play time separation is whats needed here.

6. I can claim some of my electricity cost as work expenses and the food on my commute and at work is incredibly overpriced. I typically prepare food at home. Being at home more i'm now not restricted to whatever carries well in a tupperware.

7. Arguing that a routine needs to be made for you instead of creating your own isnt a valid reason. Self discipline.

8. Discipline and routine also addresses the last point, but I will concede its easier to manage.

To outline the competitive advantage FOR working at home. In addition to the above I gain:

Custom desk, my high quality office chair vastly superior to corporate stock, custom office space, custom lighting temperature and air flow.

Control of noise levels

Total control of distractions

I save 4 hours a day lost to transport being forced to listen to podcasts and have more meaningful work and play time as a result.

I save substantial money on transport

No social guidelines, I can have what I want on the radio/TV if I wish.

I can wear more comfortable clothes and save money on laundering work clothes

I can exercise more freely and easily

I can work in line with the ebb and flow of my conciousness and not when someone else demands it - and am subatantially more productive.

My deliveries no longer go missing

My home is tidier

I dont have to use a disgusting corporate bathroom

I dont get sick anymore

My carbon footprint is close to zero

My mental health has improved substantially

I think that mostly covers it

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by pojzon on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:25AM (#27378522)
People should realize that wfh is highly dependant on self-discipline. Some ppl have it, some dont. (Actually only very small % of ppl have high self-discipline).

Due to this all corporations will and are going to try to “control” ppl simply because most of them cannot control themselves.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by bloqs on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:09AM (#27378761)
You talk like its not a learned skill. Outsourcing your self discipline to a company if you do anything remotely related to tech should mean developing it is a top priority. Impulsivity is to a large degree a dimension of Extraversion, also.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by pojzon on Friday June 04, 2021 @07:47AM (#27392634)
I know its a learned skill, but still only a very small percent of people develop or learn it.

Tho I would say overall in any field its pretty much one of the most important skills/or in life generally.

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Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by p3opl3 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:44AM (#27378977)
If you can't afford to live in London - pretty normal. No one mentions the constant delays, no air-con train and tubes.. changing stations walking the rest of the way.

My commute without delays and everything is on time is about 1hour and 25 mins.. with delays.. you can see how this easily can get close to 2 hours.. delays no transport in the UK.. are almost daily.. it's the only thing they do consistently.

"Let's be 100% honest: you did not spend 4 hours a day commuting pre-WFH. You just didn't." - This comment tells me you're either lucky enough not to have to commute in a big city.. or are rich enough to live in the city you work in.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by ks6g10 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:08AM (#27381597)
Commute

Home <-> Walk <-> train(euston) <-> walk <-> tube <-> walk <-> work

Time required if everything work correctly

~ 1h 10m to work

~ 1h 30m from work, (more since you dont want to miss the train)

Now, a single cancelled/missed train for me is +30m, happened at least once a week due to faulty train etc.

In addition, these things happen all the time:

Is the tube delayed today causing me to miss my train? +30m

Is it hot summer week? expect almost everyday to be cancellations of 1h+++

Someone trespassing/ hit by train, cancellations of 1h+++

Signalling problem, cancellation of 1h+++

Fire next to track cancellation of 3h+++

plus more Many days I have spent more than 4hrs just to get home.

Now this 2h 40m commute easily averages out to 4h

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by tester756 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:01AM (#27379991)
>Let's be 100% honest: you did not spend 4 hours a day commuting pre-WFH. You just didn't.

Just take a look at this:

10min walk to the station

5min wait for the train

1h 5min travel time

10min walk to the office

+

10min walk to the station

around 15min wait for the train

1h 5min travel time

10min walk to the home

the only thing you can argue is

>around 15min wait for the train

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by bloqs on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:07AM (#27378748)
2 hours both ways is below average for me. I gave a conservative estimate. At my previous job it was an hour and a half. Pretty normal here in the UK if you dont live in London.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by gvurrdon on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:35AM (#27382918)
40-60 minutes each way for me, occasionally worse. One colleague did have 2+ hours each way (train via London) and so he was permitted to come into the office once per week, even pre-covid.