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Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by js8 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:41AM (#27367995)
Some counterpoint to the claim in the article that green movement refuses nuclear energy:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2011/a...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/15/nuclea...

In any case, I think nuclear is pretty much dead. It's just cheaper to spam windmills and solar panels. I think it will stay there for a while (in some countries, that have the history and the expertise), but it will not gain significantly in the future.

Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by sesuximo on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:45AM (#27368032)
It’s hard to argue this while several reactors are under construction around the world... just mostly not in the USA and mostly not in Western Europe.
Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by j_wtf_all_taken on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @08:49AM (#27368070)
But compared to how much wind and solar are build - "pretty much dead" does describe it fairly well I'd argue.

Windmills and solar panels are not just cheaper, they're also easier to build while nuclear power plant construction (at least in Europe) seemed to take forever and got more and more expensive in the process.

Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by mumblemumble on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:07AM (#27368231)
My sense is that nuclear power plants basically can't go forward without lots of government support. No private utility company really wants to shoulder the financial risk for themselves. Between the stratospheric cost to build one, the ~decade it takes to get one online, and the possibility that cheap renewables push prices way down in the coming years, it's just too risky.

That probably has at least something to do with why we aren't seeing much new construction in countries with freer economies. I would guess that another significant factor is, for regions like North America and western Europe that already have a substantial investment in nuclear, it perhaps makes more sense to do what they're already doing: upgrading their existing plants rather than building new ones.

Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by js8 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @09:08AM (#27368247)
There is also geopolitical aspect to it, where do you get the nuclear fuel from? In Czech Republic, we have two nuclear power plants, and AFAIK we are buying from Russia, but we are not overly happy about the dependency (although our dependency on russian natural gas is greater).

Although wind & solar is not that popular here either. I don't know what we will do.

Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by hansel_der on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @01:06PM (#27371176)
>I don't know what we will do.

i know some czechs making a daily commute over the border in order to work installing solar panels (in germany).

so there's that

Re:The Sad Truth About Traditional Environmentalism by j_wtf_all_taken on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @02:59PM (#27372565)
Except when Söder closes the border (again) g Oh wait, he doesn't do the immigrant thing any more, and for a while he and his politics were actually making sense. Seems like that's over now, but had some (two? three?) good years.

In the end it doesn't matter where the panels are installed, as electricity is distributed throughout Europe, I guess?