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Re:Ask HN: Negotiating Salary by simonh on Sunday May 30, 2021 @01:43PM (#27334980)
>...I know you need to pay me less than the value I create... How much value do you expect I can bring to the company?

I would never use this sort of phrasing, that sound really painful. Have you ever actually used that in a negotiation?

Rather I'd highlight my experience in achieving results at reduced cost, identifying efficiencies, and developing new sources of revenue to highlight my own ability to bring extra value. You're the one asking for more, so you need to justify it.

Re:Ask HN: Negotiating Salary by kqr on Sunday May 30, 2021 @02:32PM (#27335354)
I'm not the person you're asking, but I tried a question very similar to that once. It -- the question -- did not have the intended effect. The negotiation itself left all parties happy though, so what do I know?
Re:Ask HN: Negotiating Salary by Buttons840 on Sunday May 30, 2021 @02:42PM (#27335454)
It seems most think it would be awkward, so it probably would be.

I'd like to hear more about how it went for you. It seems like one of the ultra logical views which people find weird (or offensive) when spoken out loud. I mean, the principle here is clearly true, both the employee and employer must profit, if this condition doesn't exist the company soon dies.

Re:Ask HN: Negotiating Salary by kqr on Sunday May 30, 2021 @03:44PM (#27336037)
It wasn't that it was awkward, it was just very hard to reason from the number that corresponds to future profits in a complicated way down to current compensation in a principled way.