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Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by CalChris on Friday May 28, 2021 @05:56PM (#27320995)

  The term "5 nanometer" has no relation to any actual physical feature (such as gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch) of the transistors. It is a commercial or marketing term used by the chip fabrication industry to refer to a new, improved generation of silicon semiconductor chips in terms of increased transistor density, increased speed and reduced power consumption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process

It is an industry standard term for describing a process node which is quite different from marketing bullshit.

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by GuB-42 on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:17PM (#27321620)
Not really standard. Intel is one generation "late" for the same process compared to TSMC.

By TSMC standards, Intel's 7nm is a 5nm process and Intel's 10nm is a 7nm process.

So it is not even industry standard marketing bullshit.

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by nomel on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:19PM (#27321190)
It's a random number in front of physical measurement, unrelated to anything from reality.

Just because all of the marketing departments choose to participate in this particular bs doesn't mean it's not pure marketing bs. That just means it's industry standard marketing bs.

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by CalChris on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:35PM (#27321327)
No, it isn't random either but it hasn't been associated with a particular physical feature size since 1997.

How Are Process Nodes Defined?

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/296154-how-are-process...

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by yencabulator on Saturday June 05, 2021 @08:31PM (#27409613)
Your source seems to disagree with you.

> The numbers that we use to signify each new node are just numbers that companies pick.

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by OJFord on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:09PM (#27321113)
It's industry standard to blame anything viewed with disdain on the marketing department, if EEVBlog is anything to go by! ('Product/industrial designers' when it's the same sort of thing but he likes it.)
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by cdash on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:08PM (#27321560)
Except it isn't an industry standard term unless you mean the marketing industry. And the standard for them is it means whatever we say it means.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by threatofrain on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:07PM (#27321096)
IMO GiB and gigabit are deliberately consumer-confusing terms with an even clearer standard definition.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by edgyquant on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:13PM (#27321143)
Same with 4K, prior to it the number was used to describe the height of the screen (480, 720, 1080) but then 4K describes the width which confuses people into thinking it has 4x the resolution of 1080 when it’s really 2160 (double the resolution.)
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by johncalvinyoung on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:57PM (#27321490)
The challenge there was combining code systems. 4K as a standard had been used for a relatively long time in digital cinema and editing, and I believe the long-dimension standard was chosen based on telecine processes for scanning film for digital editing and effects. Consumer tech wasn't anywhere near those sorts of resolutions for a very long time, and the 480/720/1080 definition was based on TV broadcasts displayed with CRT scanlines. Then consumer display density rose to the point that it became relevant, and 4K was the preexisting professional name for digital displays in that resolution. It's complicated, but I don't think the choice was intended to confuse.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:01PM (#27321522)
4K is the successor to 2K. It's not deliberately misleading. Every resolution has had several names:

• 480p/480i, SD

• 720p/720i, HD

• 1080p/1080i, full HD, 2K*

• 2160p, ultra HD, 4K*

* actually refers to several resolutions with different aspect ratios, but roughly the same pixel count

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by Skunkleton on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:22PM (#27321216)
Double the linear resolution. 4x the pixels.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by chrischen on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:53PM (#27321461)
HD ~= 1080p ~= 1K. 4 x 1080p ~= 4K.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by edgyquant on Sunday May 30, 2021 @01:05AM (#27330754)
But 4K isn’t 4x 1080 (as a description of height) it is 2x
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by chrischen on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:17PM (#27336346)
Yes they went from counting interlaced vertical lines to progressive lines, to the number of 1080P pixels. The 4 in 4K refers to the number increase in pixel count.
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by nine_k on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:48PM (#27321852)
But 4K is 4x the 1080 / FullHD. It's twice as wide, and twice as tall, it's four 1080 screens glued together.

But definitely there is nothing 4000 about it, it's 3840 by 2160, about 8.3 megapixels.

Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday May 28, 2021 @06:55PM (#27321483)
Both powers of 1000 and 1024 are common in computing depending on the context (no it is not just a hard drive thing). Surely it is only reasonable that the non-SI quantities get their own prefix to distinguish them from the SI quantities?
Re:1nm Breakthrough: TSMC, MIT and NTU Published on Nature by threatofrain on Friday May 28, 2021 @07:15PM (#27321612)
I see consumer confusion as based on our ability to guess whether there's going to be a mismatch between communication and understanding, and despite technical correctness. Admittedly that example is pretty marginal, so I added a better one.