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Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by luma on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @09:38AM (#27276588)
Agreed. I'll add to that a healthy application of the Principle of Least Astonishment. If you have a light, there should be an obvious light switch nearby that turns the light on and off, and does so even if your home automation system is offline for whatever reason.

"Smart" devices should, wherever possible, function as dumb devices if for whatever reason they can't be smart. There are a whole lot of devices that simply become bricks.

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by mikepurvis on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @09:58AM (#27276812)
"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by wlesieutre on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:28AM (#27278112)
I know it’s a joke but if the failure mode is “brakes don’t work” on an escalator full of people, it is much worse than stairs
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by mikepurvis on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:02PM (#27278547)
Very true— I would definitely imagine that escalator brakes are a thing that fail closed in the absence of power, but clearly there are failure modes (probably a rare confluence of multiple concurrent failures) where this kind of thing can happen, such as that incident in Rome in 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1SjQfwLieU

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by wlesieutre on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:41PM (#27279091)
Another in China in 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADb57ysvCbU

https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/engineer-gets-2-months-in-... (misleading URL, actually suspended sentence)

Rather that than an falling elevator, but it still doesn't look fun

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by khimaros on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @10:10AM (#27276946)
Rhasspy is an easy to use open source, fully offline, suite for this with wake word detection and integration with home assistant.
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by rkeene2 on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @10:57AM (#27277650)
I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow.

For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated.

This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the reasons people prefer to use voice input with code words over the other options ?

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by 8note on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:50PM (#27280740)
Physical switches rely on light as a handshaking method.

When the light is off, the switch is invisible and you have to guess at where it is, or where you need to be walking (hitting your shins on things, or stepping on lego)

Using a non-light based interface means it works just as well when the light is on and off, vs being a broken experience for half of the usecases

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by bikezen on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:59AM (#27278510)
Cooking. My hands might be occupied or dirty etc, but I need to set or change a timer.
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by Semaphor on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @03:36PM (#27281462)
Yep. Cooking is what I use Alexa for. The main control is homeassistant, but it forwards some lights to Alexa for me to control ober voice.
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by QuercusMax on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:45PM (#27279140)
Or washing dishes; pretty much anything in the kitchen.
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by rkeene2 on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:37PM (#27279019)
Thanks for helping me to understand this better.
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by patmorgan23 on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @12:04AM (#27286174)
1. Hands are dirty/unavailable (like other mentioned cooking) 2. The physical controls are physically across the room 3. The physical controls can't be located easily (lost remote, dark room)

Another point, the cognitive load of speaking a command is different than pecking through menus on a phone or finding the right button on the remote/device. It may be easier to just speak out load depending on your state if mind.

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by zentiggr on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:57AM (#27278481)
If I'm curled up comfortably with my SO, and don't want to take ten minutes of unwinding, doing whatever, then tucking back up together...
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by rkeene2 on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @12:30PM (#27278932)
It seems like in that case a remote control could be placed nearby -- are you also using voice activated code words to control the television ?
Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by Semaphor on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @11:42PM (#27286014)
> are you also using voice activated code words to control the television ?

I happen to have backed a Kickstarter that will hopefully enable me to do just that ;)

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by rkeene2 on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:48AM (#27291161)
If you're interested in getting more quickly and WANT to write software, you can have the Raspberry Pi control most televisions over HDMI-CEC using libcec [0], and then you just need the voice recognition stuff mentioned above (Rhasspy [1]).

I had to do something similar (minus voice controls) to keep my existing remote's volume controls working with an analog volume device [2].

[0] https://github.com/Pulse-Eight/libcec [1] https://github.com/rhasspy/rhasspy [2] https://rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/cec-volume.cc.htm

Re:Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with ... by 8note on Tuesday May 25, 2021 @02:50PM (#27280752)
Unless your SO is sitting on the remote