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Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by thowaway959125 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @08:56PM (#27260095)
There are numerous reasons why we need a proper investigation into this. If this came out of WIV, we need to determine exactly why these bat coronaviruses were being studied with regards to human ACE2.

This ACE2 binding is causing numerous issues, including damage to human heart, lung, kidney, and pancreatic cell death.

This is serious stuff. If anyone is looking at the "low" mortality rate, they are missing the big picture.

Role of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) in COVID-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356137/

The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

SARS-CoV-2 infects human pancreatic β-cells and elicits β-cell impairment

https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(21)...

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by lamontcg on Monday May 24, 2021 @02:16AM (#27261509)
HCoV-NL63 enters cells via ACE2 and only causes the common cold.
Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by thowaway959125 on Monday May 24, 2021 @04:16AM (#27262095)
Very interesting. This is certainly a scientifically valid response.

> Here we show that SARS-CoV, but not HCoV-NL63, utilizes the enzymatic activity of the cysteine protease cathepsin L to infect ACE2-expressing cells.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142358/

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by lamontcg on Monday May 24, 2021 @12:37PM (#27266462)
The vastly more likely significant differences are:

1. We don't (yet) inherit antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from our mothers.

2. SARS-CoV-2 has not been forced to make evolutionary sacrifices to evolve to escape immunity.

The virus has the freedom to become optimally bad and our immune systems were optimally naive.

Over time the warfare between our immune system and the virus should cause SARS-CoV-2 to look a lot more like HCoV-NL63.

That's a sufficient explanation of the differences in disease severity without having to troll through medical articles.

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by Dah00n on Sunday May 23, 2021 @09:28PM (#27260283)
>we need to determine exactly why these bat coronaviruses were being studied

Why do we need evidence of why a lab would do research in viruses that is a danger to people in the country? It's pretty self-explanatory. ACE2 isn't specific to SARS-CoV-2 as your own links says.

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by giardini on Monday May 24, 2021 @01:23PM (#27267133)
thowaway959125 says> "it would be great if we took this opportunity to actually end biological weapons research globally."

The genii is out of the bottle so ending biological weapons research will never happen. If we aren't hit by a nation-state using biological warfare then we'll be hit by someone who does biochem in his garage for fun.

The best strategy is to advance the research while taking such steps as creating super-vaccines to make this type of biowarfare obsolete:

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/coronavirus/news/2021-04-21-...

But that also moves us one step closer to the "grey goo" scenario:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by koheripbal on Monday May 24, 2021 @11:31AM (#27265531)
ACE2 binding is common among coronaviruses. This is neither unique to covid-19, nor uncommon generally.
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Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by dang on Monday May 24, 2021 @01:24AM (#27261324)
You broke several of the HN guidelines with this. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, we'd appreciate it. Your comment would be fine without that initial swipe.

It should go without saying, but I'll add that I'm not at all commenting on which of you is right or wrong factually. But if you're the one who's right, then you should take better care with the truth, because stooping to cheap attacks discredits what you're saying, and one is responsible for how one handles the truth one's in possession of.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by ksec on Monday May 24, 2021 @07:02AM (#27262988)
Sometimes I just wish I could pay HN not for its bandwidth, content or its community but simply because of Dang's moderation.

Thank You.

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by tailspin2019 on Monday May 24, 2021 @08:14AM (#27263445)
Completely agree.

Thanks dang, you help keep this place a truly special corner of the internet!

Re:Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before Covid-19 outb... by thowaway959125 on Sunday May 23, 2021 @09:16PM (#27260225)
It's absolutely not a troll comment.

I stand by the science and I would love any evidence of something like natural zoonotic spillover.