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Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:42PM (#27240334)
Every single near-miss I've had while walking in Minneapolis has been due to the driver not paying attention. There wasn't a single time it was due to lack of visibility from inside the vehicle.

My yelling at one driver who was staring at her phone while driving out of a parking ramp and across the sidewalk where she nearly hit me, probably woke her up enough to avoid driving into traffic and being hit by a bus!

No, it's not the vehicles, it's the people driving them.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by jszymborski on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:54PM (#27240458)
The gp was simply stating that being struck by a truck is more lethal than a car due to their flat, tall fronts. They weren't, by my reading, insinuating that trucks are more likely to hit people. That is indeed, in my opinion, a function of operator error all things equal.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by unethical_ban on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:39PM (#27241947)
The GP said also, " The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front." to which your parent responded.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by jorvi on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:33PM (#27242347)
Yup, this is also why the Cybertruck (probably) won't be road legal in Europe. Too many sharp edges that would seriously hurt a pedestrian on collision.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by carlivar on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:36PM (#27242812)
Also no side mirrors. It's kind of a joke how poorly defined it is with people seriously expecting it this year.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by harambae on Sunday May 23, 2021 @06:41PM (#27259308)
You don't necessarily need mirrors when you have reliable (probably ASIL-B, maybe ASIL-D) cameras systems that recreate that view inside the vehicle, although I'm not that well versed with European laws.

They could also just add mirrors as has long been standard between concept and production motorcycles. (Example [0][1])

[0] https://2yrh403fk8vd1hz9ro2n46dd-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... [1] https://i2.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/upload...

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by noobermin on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:59PM (#27240999)
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by ttyprintk on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:08PM (#27242605)
This article states that forward blind spots account for 30-60 pedestrian fatalities each year. Rear blind spots are 5-10x deadlier. I would prioritize backup cameras.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by garyfirestorm on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:42PM (#27243199)
Back up cameras are now standard 18MY onwards. New vehicles are required backup cameras.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by tuxone on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:53PM (#27240440)
Totally agree with you. Now, would you prefer being hit by a Ford F-150 or Fiat 500 (same speed)?
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by serf on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:55PM (#27242920)
>No, it's not the vehicles, it's the people driving them.

people being distracted isn't a new feature; people being given distractions in the cabin is.

I'm not sure exactly what your argument is, to be quite frank.

Are you insinuating that less visibility isn't hindering the ability to drive safely?

There are additional devices commonplace in vehicles to make up for the lack of visibility -- pedestrian detection/auto-braking/switching cameras for example -- but surely a car would be safer to both pedestrians and the passengers if it had those types of features along with increased visibility..

>No, it's not the vehicles, it's the people driving them.

As a former auto mechanic, maybe i'm over-exposed.. but :

1) car interior design changes yearly, and it's usually to sate consumer desires rather than for safety/usability/efficiency.

2) mechanical failures aren't rare. mechanical failures that may end in injury or loss-of-life aren't rare, either.

The DoD has done tons of usability studies with regards to UI/UX. If auto manufacturers wanted a safe/repeatable/efficient environment then the interiors would probably share a lot of features with fighter jets; tactile buttons, audio cues, correct information density, etc.

They don't look anything like this -- this is a clue to the consumer that there are different priorities in mind at the manufactures' HQ, namely lately ICE (in-car entertainment, not internal combustion engine; sorry for possible confusion) and technological glitz like RGB lighting.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by blake1 on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:49PM (#27242885)
Second this. Even in the most bike- or pedestrian-friendly neighborhood of Minneapolis, all of the near miss experiences I’ve had have been because of driver inattentiveness. Is there some tautology here—with truck drivers and pedestrians frequenting disjoint geographies? Certainly.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by dosshell on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:48AM (#27244149)
Good that the car has DMS then :)