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Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by jacquesm on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:24AM (#27231069)
With a maximum memory size of 8G it's a bit anemic so you likely wouldn't get that much life out of it anyway, hope you got the 16G version. Apple is pretty good at the planned obsolescence game, so getting the larger memory would at least help stave that off for a bit.

I'm skipping these for now, I run Linux on all my machines and it typically takes a while for the wrinkles to be ironed out, and x86 has much better support than M1. I do think it is time that we became less fixated on x86 and more CPU architectures is better. Another reason for the skip is that the last two Apple products I've owned (both MacBook Airs) have not lived up to expectation, the one had a keyboard that went bad after only two years with nothing but perfectly normal use, the other has a battery that didn't even go through 50 full charge / discharge cycles and that only holds 5 minutes worth of charge. Both of these issues developed out of warranty.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Toutouxc on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:56AM (#27231238)
> Apple is pretty good at the planned obsolescence game

Nah, they suck at it.

My GF is just finishing her bachelors thesis in the living room on my 2013 MBP with 4 GB RAM. First battery, updated all the way from Mavericks to Big Sur. Still supported, still useful and prettier than 80 % machines out there.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by kiwijamo on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:28AM (#27231701)
Just out of interest, is she still using the same HDD? I find that the performance of older MacBooks are pretty awful under recent version of Mac OS if the storage hardware is the older non-SSD drives. My old $work MacBook with a HDD was thankfully swapped out for a SSD version -- the difference was night and day. Though this SSD machine is starting to slow down noticeably with Big Sur...
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Synaesthesia on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:04AM (#27232198)
Since 2012 the MacBook Pros switched to all Retina and all SSD so yeah it's got an SSD. Anecdotally my 2012 retina is still doing great, also on Big Sur. Battery is pretty shot though.
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Toutouxc on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:12AM (#27231909)
It's the Late 2013 retina model, with a 128 GB SSD.
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by chickenmonkey on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:21AM (#27232279)
You're right. Macs have excellent build quality and are durable as hell. Planned obsolescence with Apple is seen more with iPhones. There was the recent story about Apple slowing down older iPhones via software updates [1]

[1]: [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724]

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by least on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:28AM (#27233156)
This isn't a case of planned obsolescence. If anything it's exactly the opposite of that, trying to prolong the useful life of a phone as its battery degrades. This did of course lead to them offering a $29 battery replacement for affected phones (after they were caught doing this).

The lack of communication was a problem but "planned obsolescence" in this case is just tin-foil hat nonsense.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by paldepind2 on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:29AM (#27233725)
iPhones gets OS updates longer than any Android phones.
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by IAmEveryone on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:31AM (#27231121)
It’s 16G and I just retired my 2012 MacBook Pro because I really wanted to try the M1.

It was still going strong after almost a decade of use and got €300 as a trade-in. If that’s Apple‘s idea of planned obsolescence, I support their plan.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by eduo on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:39AM (#27231455)
Same here. The home iMac Core Duo from early 2008 was finally decommissioned last year, after 12 years (had an SSD change only). Up until that moment it had been the "go to" computer in the home and 24/7 running a Plex server, Sonarr and Transmission.

My 2012 MBA is used daily and heavily by my mother and graphic designer sister. My 2015 MBA replaced that iMac and now I'm trying to find an excuse to replace my current 2019 MBA because M1s are reaaally attractive. Essentially I've convinced myself Apple is anouncing laptops later in the year that look like the newest iMacs, just so I wait.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Raineer on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:36AM (#27231145)
Surely you can't have that right - no one is allowed to be happy with an Apple product! Lurk moar /s
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by jacquesm on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:37AM (#27231155)
Good for you :)
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by coldtea on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:34AM (#27244097)
>Apple is pretty good at the planned obsolescence game

If that's their game, they are terrible at it.

Seeing that Macs hold their resale value for longer, for mobile they release iOS updates for longer than any other Android vendor, and so on.

What Apple is good at is making the product an "Apple only can fix/change" affair. But that's not the same as planned obsolescence game.

>With a maximum memory size of 8G it's a bit anemic

Is it? The majority of non-Apple laptops in 2021 are sold at 8G and below. And for people's use (web, surfing, email, Slack, Zoom, regular apps, etc) that the Air and smaller MBPs are aimed at, that has always been plenty.

(In fact, outside of video, audio, 3D, VM, and number crunching work, it's crazy that people would need more than that for the same stuff, computationaly wise, we did 10-15 years ago with much less RAM - blame Electron).

And 16GB and below is something like the 95% percentile or above.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by simondotau on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:24AM (#27231671)
> Apple is pretty good at the planned obsolescence game

Most other smartphone brands: hold my beer

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by carlhjerpe on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:01AM (#27232526)
Agreed, I'm going to stay on android til Apple puts a USB-C port in the iPhone. Most of my colleagues use iPhones and they're supported way longer than our android counterparts(Samsung exclusively).
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Maken on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:52AM (#27233377)
Eh, my J5 from 2016 is still as good as new. Stuck in Android 7.1, though. Also, it was back then when you were allowed to swap your phone battery.
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by simondotau on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:57PM (#27241532)
Hence why I said most, not all.

That said, was this upgrade to Android 7.1 officially supported by Samsung?

In 2015, Apple released the iPhone 6S. It has not stopped receiving day-one software updates. For anyone who still has one (two in my circle of family and friends still have their 6S) they are still working great on iOS 14.5.

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by callahad on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:35AM (#27231144)
All the M1 Macs can be upgraded to 16 GB, including the Air, and macOS uses memory compression by default, so there can be a bit more life to these machines than you'd otherwise expect.

Edit: Since posting this comment, the parent has been edited to include "hope you got the 16G version" -- at the time I replied, jacquesm's comment mistakenly asserted an absolute "maximum memory size of 8G."

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by mlyle on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:38AM (#27231165)
The ram is soldered onto the CPU package. How exactly does one upgrade it, short of doing hot-air rework of a dense BGA?
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by Toutouxc on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:56AM (#27231242)
They meant upgraded at the time of purchase.
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by nfin on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:17AM (#27231346)
on Apples shop website I can‘t see a 16Gb Macbook Air.

Did I miss it? Or can‘t I see it if there is no availability anymore? Anyone a link?

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by fredoralive on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:35AM (#27231435)
It's a custom build option, I'm guessing you're onto the page with the couple of preset options? If you click "select" on a model you get a second page that lets you customise stuff like RAM and SSD.

This link might work: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air/space-gray-ap...

Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by input_sh on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:41AM (#27231466)
Just select it and you'll see an option to upgrade to 16G (which adds a whooping $180 to the price): https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air/space-...
Re:Animated GIF uses over 35GB RAM in Acorn on M1 Mac, likel... by harph on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:35AM (#27231433)
They probably mean upgrade on purchase