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Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by sawjet on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @09:32PM (#27203555)
What is unsustainable about Bitcoin?
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by Clewza313 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @09:48PM (#27203645)
Is there anything sustainable about Bitcoin?

But getting back on topic, Bitcoin miners long since moved to custom ASICs, you can't make a profit with GPUs any more.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by irq on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:44PM (#27203949)
I make $7-8 per day, after electrical costs, letting my 2080ti (normally used for flight sim, but when not in use…) run nicehash’s miner software. My electricity costs $0.0816 per kWh.

Not a ton of money but it adds up after a month and the GPU was a sunk cost since I got it for gaming. It literally is profitable, for my situation anyway.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by verall on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:05AM (#27204776)
If you're using nicehash you're not mining bitcoin. The payout is in BTC but it mines whatever it thinks is most profitable. On your 2080ti, it's not bitcoin.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by sellyme on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:41PM (#27204262)
> My electricity costs $0.0816 per kWh.

I agree that the statement "you can't make a profit any more" is just incorrect because of the subjectivity of "you", but it's also worth noting that this is extremely variable - my electricity costs $0.38/kWh off-peak and $0.54/kWh on-peak.

Whether or not mining on existing hardware is profitable depends entirely on where you live, and since we're explicitly talking about the effects of an increased demand on GPUs due to mining, people are clearly not just using existing hardware.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by Clewza313 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:13PM (#27204119)
So at around $2500 a pop, you'd be looking at a year just to amortize your costs, and that's assuming BTC stays at its current insane levels. (A mighty assumption, since it's dropped 30% in the last week.)
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by greycol on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:52PM (#27204316)
The volatility is the problem as it makes calculations unreliable but a year to cover your costs on a 2 year (if you upgrade to the latest graphics card every generation) or 4 year (if you go every second gen) life is a reasonable investment.

It's literally a ROI of 100-300%.

Or to put it another way it's similar to a risky stock with a compounding yearly return of 41% for four years.

Using a graphics card for mining that you have anyway is just gravy (apart from externalities which are another big problem).

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by parineum on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:34PM (#27204233)
As long as it's taking a year to pay for itself, have a look at bitcoin's change in value over any recent 12 month period.

I'm not really a crypto guy but mining in your downtime on a decent gpu is a pretty good gamble.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by cableshaft on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:35PM (#27204237)
He bought it for Flight Sim it sounds like, the mining is just a bonus.

And Flight Simulator 2020 needs crazy specs if you want the pretty graphics at decent frame rates. I was planning on doing the mining on the side just to reduce how much it cost, but I'm mainly getting it for the pretty Flight Sim graphics.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by tempestn on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:57PM (#27204361)
Or looked at another way, with only a year of mining you cover your costs, and everything after that is profit. I don't GPU mine, but I can certainly see why people do.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by pfisch on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:41PM (#27204264)
2080ti's don't cost $2500.

???

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by Clewza313 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:06AM (#27204432)
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by mrweasel on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:41AM (#27206031)
That's absolutely insane. I'm sure it's a nice card, but it's not worth three payments on my house.

Doesn't all this limit the game publishers as well? Surely someone who is currently developing a game has to consider whether or not to even care that something like a 2080 even exists, it might as well not.

And if games starts to be developed with older and slower cards in mind, to ensure that games can even play them, won't that hurt GPU sales in the future?

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by pfisch on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:13PM (#27210633)
Scalpers prices are not retail. I have bought around 4 3070s/3080s all for under 1000 at actual retail pricing.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by freeflight on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:28PM (#27227529)
When even retailers have these prices, then those are the prices.

> I have bought around 4 3070s/3080s all for under 1000 at actual retail pricing.

How much time and effort did you spend to accomplish that?

I've signed up with multiple AIBs and Nvidia itself for months to get notified if anything I'm interested in gets in stock. Nvidia stopped selling directly in my region (Europe) a while ago, no AIB has notified me yet. Probably because I picked all the most affordable models, all of which are still more expensive than 3080 FE MSRP, while 3080 FE has not even an official retailer left in mainland Europe.

Sure, I could setup a whole range of alerts and spend all day hanging out in a bunch of discords to catch one of those super rare stock drops.

But tbh that's not the experience I'm looking for when I'm already willing to spend money: I don't want, and most people simply can't, having to organize the rest of their life around the possibility for a purchasing "opportunity" at any given moment.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by pfisch on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:40PM (#27229604)
I literally just refreshed this page like 5 times a day. That is it. 3070s pop up all the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/new/

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by Plyphon_ on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:02AM (#27207981)
You also need the rest of the machine to put it in.

Can't just buy a gpu and plug it into a wall outlet.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by hellbannedguy on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:02AM (#27204410)
Used on Amazon is $2099.00
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by freeflight on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:14PM (#27227373)
That sounds kinda low, at least compared to the 8-9€ that nicehash allegedly pays me out in profitability with my 1080 Ti+5800x at €0.32 per kWh.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by einpoklum on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:28AM (#27205263)
Please stop doing that. You are just wasting energy.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:50AM (#27206436)
Las vegas called, they want you to know they have the brightest and most energy consuming lightsource* in the world blasting at the sky, drawing fambling addicts like a moth to a flame.

*excluding laser research laboratories and weapons.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by StrictDabbler on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:10AM (#27208873)
The luxor light was originally 39 Xenon bulbs running at 7 kW each. 243 kW wasn't that much energy to start, but they actually run only half the bulbs now on a rotating basis. So about 120 kW.

The light costs about $51 an hour. Arguably the smallest expense involved in running a casino hotel 24 hours a day. Less than a rounding error.

They cut back to half-brightness not because of money, or energy, but because they thought the light pollution was a little excessive.

The strip is mostly solar-powered so the Luxor is basically just taking sunlight and beaming it back up into the sky.

It's not like you could take that energy and ship it elsewhere, or do something more productive with it. The Strip's solar plant exists because of The Strip. If the Strip didn't exist then you'd just have sunlight hitting rocks in the middle of the desert like everywhere else in Nevada.

Oh, and moths to a flame? That's literal. There's an entire ecosystem built up around the moths who flock to the Luxor, the bats that eat those moths, and the owls that eat those bats.

Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by batmanthehorse on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:39AM (#27208404)
they should also stop that
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by djmips on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:50AM (#27205402)
But gaming is fine, that's not a waste of energy at all.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by Dzugaru on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:57AM (#27205791)
Well.. yes?
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by einpoklum on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:16AM (#27206235)
I didn't encourage or discourage gaming. Also, mining means stressing the GPU 24-7, gaming is occasional. ... if you're gaming 24-7, then please stop doing that to, it's not good for your physical and emotional well-being :-(
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by PeterStuer on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:05AM (#27206538)
In reality most mining happen with under-clocked GPU cores (and admittedly overclocked VRAM), and at very stable temperatures. The GPU that is used 24/7 for mining will be far less stressed than a GPU that is powered on and off, and cycles through a lot of thermal changes throughout the day
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by einpoklum on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:28AM (#27208259)
So, will the occasional gaming work still consume more energy / produce more heat?
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by jcpham2 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @07:34AM (#27207170)
Please continue being butthurt because you don’t understand the value of energy. It’s super cute.
Re:Nvidia cripples cryptocurrency mining on RTX 3080 and 307... by actually_a_dog on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @09:49PM (#27203652)
For one thing, it consumes more electricity than the entire country of Norway: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-power-consu...