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Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by new_realist on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @09:57AM (#27194614)
The Nexo is much less aerodynamic than the Model 3. One is an SUV/CUV, the other is a low sedan which looks like wet poop. The Nexo has more frontal area and a higher CD. And the Tesla is known for rigging its EPA tests for higher, but illusory, numbers.
Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by ajross on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:18PM (#27196869)
> Tesla is known for rigging its EPA tests for higher, but illusory, numbers.

The Tesla numbers are correct and verifiable, actually. The problem is that the EPA "highway" test is designed to capture the "average highway mile" driven by a US vehicle (which makes sense, it was designed to inform purchasers of aggregate fuel use). Here's the driving schedule:

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-10/hwfetdds....

Note that it never goes above 60mph, and spends most of its time between 40 and 50. This isn't wrong, but it corresponds to an urban highway commute (again, which is pretty much the "average highway mile").

The problem is that this does NOT match what typical consumers think of as "highway driving", meaning blasting 75mph+ down an open road. So people get in their Model 3's and measure their consumption at those speeds and it doesn't match.

And it's true that other EV manufacturers (Ford, especially -- the Mach E actually does somewhat better than sticker consumption on the highway) chose not to run the full test and used other methods that put a higher number on their stickers. And in context that's probably more informative.

But nothing was "rigged". In fact Teslas in stop-and-go urban commute traffic really do get close to their sticker mileage. It's just that no one cares because one's battery doesn't run out on an urban commute before you get home to charge it. Ironically, EV owners in this case care LESS about efficiency than gas owners.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by rootusrootus on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @04:41PM (#27200771)
> The Tesla numbers are correct and verifiable

There are caveats. The lower end Model 3s hit their estimates pretty reliably. The Performance trim usually misses by a pretty big margin for most people. There are exceptions to every rule, but I owned a P3D and hung out with other P3D owners as well, and this was a commonly shared experience.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by ajross on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @09:56PM (#27203689)
I have to wonder how much of that is down to the way the driving habits of people who buy a car labeled "long range" differ from those who buy one that calls itself "performance". It doesn't really refute the notion that the difference between measured and claimed performance is due to the different driving conditions being tested.

IIRC there was some youtube video a year or two back that tested a few variants on a track using what they claimed to be a replica of the EPA highway test, and the cars came out almost dead on.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by rootusrootus on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:44PM (#27204275)
AFAIK, Tesla uses the same range estimate for all trim levels of the Model 3 (or did in 2019, at least). The problem is that the Performance trim has 20 inch non-aero wheels and sticky tires. I got 325+ Wh/mi steady state cruise on the highway using AP to do the driving (in good weather; was 350+ when colder).

There have been some independent tests and IIRC the consensus is that the standard range Model 3 was rated pretty accurately, and the Performance trim was rated something like 25-30 miles too high compared to reality.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by ajross on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:31AM (#27209164)
The current site lists the LR at 353 miles EPA range and the performance at 315.

But again, you're using the words "on the highway" to reflect what I assume to be your driving habits in rural open road conditions and not the test that was actually performed to produce the numbers in the product specs. And that was my point. It's not about advertising fidelity at all, it's about regulation and its mismatch with the expectations of a modern EV driver.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by vardump on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:57AM (#27195480)
> And the Tesla is known for rigging its EPA tests for higher, but illusory, numbers.

By that you must mean Tesla bothers to do the full suite of EPA tests instead of accepting a somewhat penalizing multiplier, like how other manufacturers do?

There's no rigging whatsoever and the same option is available for other manufacturers as well. If they bother to do the longer and more demanding test cycle, that is.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by sfblah on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:14PM (#27196791)
Nobody cares exactly how a company gets unrealistically high numbers. What matters is as a consumer your experience won’t match the company’s claims. Best would be for companies just to tell the truth. C.f. the “full self driving” falsehood.
Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by vkou on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:26PM (#27198930)
Anyone who has bought a car in the last 50 years is already well aware of how much EPA mileage differs from actual mileage.

My old 2010 Prius was EPA-rated for 50 MPG. If I drove it with kid gloves over flat terrain, I could hit that mileage. If I drove it in a way that doesn't piss other road users off, I would get closer to 46 MPG.

If I was doing 80+ MPH over the Rockies on the Trans-Canada, I'd be getting a cool 35 MPG, because air resistance is very high at those speeds, and because most of my braking was exceeding the regenerative capacity of the car.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by usrusr on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:26AM (#27194994)
Pretty much everything is aerodynamic at 25mph when comparing to something else at 40mph...
Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by SigmundA on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:25AM (#27194979)
Ok so go to the Model Y which is slightly heavier (Actually closer to the Nexo) and the worse aerodynamics than the Model 3 should have minimal effect if hypermiling at low speed, which also helps the Nexo vs Model 3.

Model Y will blow the doors off the Nexo in performance due to much larger electric motors.

Re:Hyundai Nexo sets new world record 887.5 km travelled on ... by JPKab on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:23AM (#27194956)
I own a model 3 and I laughed pretty hard at your comment regarding it looking like wet poop.