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Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by throwaway0a5e on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:03PM (#27190564)
>Some relatives of mine got to experience a fun little hostage situation with, "either you pay [absurd figure] per month for a couple years for drug rehab at a facility we chose, for your adult kid, plus smaller amounts of money for other stuff pretty much indefinitely, or or they rot in prison rather than getting out on probation".

The entire host of companies people are forced to do business with by court order are like this. Rehab, post conviction monitoring, etc. etc. They're all scum. And they get away with it because nobody will defend criminals.

Every time something like OUI comes up in passing on HN there's be a miles long comment chain where everybody is piling on about how they're terrible people. Sure, fine, they may be, but they also have rights. People like you (probably you reading this very comment) are why ignition interlocks and ankle bracelets can be made that report false positives left and right, the companies that run them can charge stupid amounts of money and get away with it all. Because your principals go out the window as soon as someone is convicted of something you don't like.

Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by Aerroon on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:42PM (#27191045)
It really does seem like these companies have a conflict of interests with creating a better society. If nobody is forced to do business with them then they'd go out of business, therefore it's in their best interests to make sure that doesn't happen.
Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by njovin on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:43PM (#27191051)
Add JPay to that list for charging 25 cents “per page” to send an email to an inmate and another 25 cents for each photo attachment.
Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by CallMeJim on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @06:27AM (#27192980)
I know about ignition interlock devices – my company provides these – and there is a little more nuance to it than that.

Firstly (and depending on jurisdiction), IIDs have to pass fairly rigorous verification in an accredited laboratory before they are accepted for use.

Secondly, all IIDs are regularly (every one to two months) calibrated against ethanol/nitrogen gas certified to a set level, to ensure accuracy. In contrast, police breathalysers are usually calibrated every 6 to 9 months.

Thirdly, all breath alcohol testing devices (IIDs, fuel cell breathalysers, evidential infrared breathalysers) detect ethanol.

This is well and good, but ethanol is also present in miniscule quantities in a vast array of foods and drinks, in addition to beer, wine and spirits.

If someone has consumed these in the past couple of minutes, then takes a test, it will detect the ethanol.

Some examples that people commonly report using in vehicles, which all contain ethanol:

- anything fermented. Kombucha, ginger beer

- fresh bread, pizza, doughnuts [1][2]

- mouthwash, hand sanitiser

- some medications, including asthma medications

These are common everyday items, leading to an ethanol-detecting device detecting ethanol in a substance that contains ethanol. From the user perspective, this is a false positive.

From a technology perspective, this is working exactly as it should be.

Fourthly, alcohol readings caused by mouth contaminants aren't a surprise. Any sane jurisdiction will allow the user to take another test within a few minutes to prove they hadn't ingested alcohol (mouth contaminations will clear from the mouth within a few minutes, whereas ingested alcohol will show another alcohol reading).

To summarise: breath alcohol testing is an established technology with high standards to meet; ethanol is widely prevalent leading to IIDs detecting ethanol; recourse is available to prove the ethanol detected wasn't ingested alcohol.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation [2]: https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/22237/does-bread...

Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by Geezus_42 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:24AM (#27191242)
Don't forget pre-conviction monitoring and probation, or in legalese "case load". Forget innocent until proven guilty.
Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by giantg2 on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:04PM (#27190840)
"And they get away with it because nobody will defend criminals."

If only we had some mantra/idiom/whatever the correct word is like "innocent until proven guilty"...

Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by m_mueller on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:22PM (#27190945)
Here it is more about how you treat the proven guilty. The answer I think should be measured proportionally, and geared towards rehabilitation. Plea bargains and privatization of various aspects seem to go right against that. It takes away control of the court systems and gives it to the executive branch, to people who are measured on their conviction rate and arrests. This all badly needs reform, but good luck when the Supreme Court is now just another political game.
Re:A police dog who cried drugs at every traffic stop by giantg2 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @07:32AM (#27193354)
"Here it is more about how you treat the proven guilty."

That is a part of it.

"Cops laugh about “probable cause on four legs” but the damage to innocent lives is real."

This is the first sentence in the article. So I think this the mention of innocent until proven guilty is something to talk about concerning the article. The system treats you like a guilty person and stacks the deck against you. I think the plea bargaining that you mention falls into this. I would add that prosecutorial and law enforcement discretion is probably the biggest area of abuse. Because of this, bad laws stay on the book and can be enforced with bias because many people think "oh they wouldn't charge me with that". For example, in my state you can be put in jail for 90 days for your dog getting out of your yard. If it happens twice in one year, it's a misdemeanor. Pretty insane really, but people don't care because it's only enforced sometimes and they don't know how serious it can be.