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Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by nitrogen on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:29PM (#27188673)
If the original has a SNR less than 96dB (120dB effectively with shaped dithering), and no frequencies above 20kHz, then CD is lossless.
Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by threeseed on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:49PM (#27189774)
30% of people tested could hear 26Khz. 10% could hear 28Khz.

https://asa.scitation.org/doi/10.1121/1.2761883

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by marcan_42 on Monday May 17, 2021 @08:55PM (#27190180)
A pure tone. At 110 dB SPL. On one study.

Yes, if you blast humans with enough energy in any form they will eventually notice. This is not a relevant result for music.

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by simondotau on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:52PM (#27190786)
Wow, 26Khz at 110 dBSPL? That's just stupid. You might as well argue that incidental exposure to wifi is certainly fatal because you wouldn't survive being cooked inside a microwave.

110 dBSPL represents thousands of times more energy (in watts) than you could plausibly expect in any musically derived ultrasonic content played at a volume level which doesn't pose a significant risk of permanent hearing loss. At such insane power levels, obviously nobody will be hearing the actual frequency but rather sub-harmonics and/or other physical sensations derived from that moronic level of sound pressure.

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by threeseed on Monday May 17, 2021 @09:05PM (#27190234)
By all means provide an alternate study that shows 20Khz is the limit for human hearing.

Because from all accounts it is a myth.

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by Dylan16807 on Monday May 17, 2021 @09:39PM (#27190420)
If they can only hear it way above the threshold of physical damage, that's a good anecdote but it's definitely not relevant to music playback.

Sensitivity to audio falls off a cliff as you approach 20KHz.

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by simondotau on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:53PM (#27190797)
And that assumes you have young ears. If you're older, chances are it's nowhere near 20kHz.
Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by marcan_42 on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:00PM (#27190823)
At normal listening levels, yup. I'm 30 and I can certainly hear the hideous 19 kHz anti-rat blasters they have all over shops in Tokyo (and I think they almost certainly cause ear damage and should be illegal - IIRC they are marketed as putting out 138dB SPL!) but I am rather unlikely to hear the difference between music low-passed at 19kHz and 20kHz.
Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by simondotau on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:14PM (#27190908)
> I am rather unlikely to hear the difference

Especially if your hearing has been damaged by repeat exposure to 19 kHz at 138dB SPL.

Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by marcan_42 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:14AM (#27191464)
I do try to run away or cover my ears when I run into them...
Re:Apple Music Announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio by simondotau on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:53PM (#27190793)
> from all accounts

From all accounts? Don't you mean from one account?