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Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by silicaroach on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:27AM (#27182277)
Finally, a proper look at the cost in most respects of the real cost of a 'sustainable' technology. We need more of these but no one will pay nor pay attention.

Unfortunately though, sail driven ships are kind of useless for the efficient movement of cargo. Masts are required and take away stowage space and, more importantly, make efficient cargo loading/unloading impossible. Read the book "The Box" to understand the changes brought about in cargo shipping over the last century.

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by vanderZwan on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:16PM (#27186367)
Instead of sails we could try other methods, like kites, or that weird turning-metal column effect. To name two serious proposals I've seen
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by krisoft on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:32PM (#27186555)
Good news on the “weird turning-metal column effect” front: they just installed five tilting rotor sails on a newlybuilt bulk ore carrier.

https://gcaptain.com/newbuild-vale-vloc-revealed-as-bulk-car...

Why is this important? It shows that the ship owners has seen enough promise in the technology to overcome the potential risks. If it works out well for them we will very likely see wider adoption.

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by loudmax on Monday May 17, 2021 @03:48PM (#27187564)
From that article:

"If the pilot proves effective, it is estimated that at least 40% of the fleet will be able to use the technology, which would result in a reduction of almost 1.5% of Vale’s annual iron ore maritime transport emissions.”

Well, that's a step in the right direction so something to be applauded. But taken alone, an emissions reduction of "almost 1.5%" isn't going to save the planet.

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by naravara on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:53PM (#27186809)
How does this work? The article assumes I should already know the mechanics of it, but googling only seems to turn up a bunch of the same sorts of articles.
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by krisoft on Monday May 17, 2021 @03:33PM (#27187384)
I'm not an expert on it really. They rotate the giant cylinder and the wind is blowing by. The rotation forms a low pressure zone one side of the cylinder which acts as a lift force perpendicular both to the rotational axis of the cylinder and the wind.

It's the same effect which "turns" a soccer ball if you kick it with a spin. There is a really nice demonstration of the effect in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSrvzNW9FE

This wikipedia page has a way better summary than my attempt above: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by minitoar on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:24PM (#27186443)
I assume you’re referring to the Coanda effect.
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by prideout on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:44PM (#27186696)
I think rotor sails leverage the Magnus effect, not the Coandă effect.
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by aclatuts on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:15PM (#27186349)
Tanker boats could probably use sails without loading and unloading getting in the way. I would imagine it's just hoses and pumps to get the liquid out.
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by bombcar on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:18PM (#27186387)
Exactly, and these are precisely the vessels that can most handle slower transfer speeds - as you just have more sailboats to make up for slower speeds/smaller sizes. All that matters is how many arrive each day, as the cargo is fungible.

In fact, doing such would provide a buffer that could help prevent supply shocks.

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by TylerE on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:41PM (#27186652)
At what point does the additional resource of building a lot more ships (which have more crew, eating more food, producing more waste) result in a net negative?

Oceangoing ships have a relatively short useful life...salt water is rough on metal.

Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by bombcar on Monday May 17, 2021 @03:06PM (#27187032)
I suppose the upper limit would be when it’s possible to make an ocean-wide winch system and you can just hook barges to it and pull them across the ocean.
Re:How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century? by jasonschlatt on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:27PM (#27189180)
Just hook containers to it like cable-cars and move them across.