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Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by phonypc on Saturday May 15, 2021 @10:20AM (#27165467)
Calling a lot of these things carcinogens is a little odd. It's not synonymous with harmful, and even harm isn't obvious for all of these. Food additives and processing in general? Gluten for people who tolerate it?
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by fpoling on Saturday May 15, 2021 @10:37AM (#27165598)
During the last 120 years wheat was optimized for machines making its gluten content higher that could explain higher gluten intolerance among people presently.
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by gruez on Saturday May 15, 2021 @01:00PM (#27166907)
Is there any evidence supporting this hypothesis?
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by galgalesh on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:14PM (#27168011)
For context: the molecular shape of gluten causes dough to hold better. Wheat with more gluten gives softer bread which rises better. Hence why gluten is so prevalent in domesticated wheat.
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by Robotbeat on Saturday May 15, 2021 @11:52PM (#27171064)
We’ve been optimizing stuff for palatability and processing since we started domesticating wheat. I am going to need a better argument about why gluten is special.
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by fpoling on Saturday May 15, 2021 @02:30PM (#27167678)
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by scoopertrooper on Sunday May 16, 2021 @03:01AM (#27171798)
The article does not support your hypothesis. Celiac disease is not 'gluten intolerance'.
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by gadaprog on Saturday May 15, 2021 @12:58PM (#27166884)
Asking out of ignorance here: why is higher gluten wheat more optimal for machines?
Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by Woodi on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @03:10AM (#27191980)
Main role of gluten in bread is to keep gas, usually CO_2 from yeasts, bacteria or baking powder, inside dough - so dought raises and when heated gas expands giving even more volume to (not only) bakery products.

Gluten do this by forming gluten net during dought mixing. Or even by mixing flour with water and waiting. So gluten is super good and almoust magical ingradient.

Real problem is that Western World started to abuse wheat flour after yeasts were discovered. You know, in older times "white bread" was mainly for rich peoples and poor peoples used flour with more chaff. But in last years chaff costs almoust same as flour :)

Celiac disease is only 1-2% population, and non-celiac gluten sensitivity is 5-6%. So that "harmful gluten" is a myth. But if you have some intolerance then gluten is very very toxic. And nothing wrong with skipping it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten

Rye flour contains some form of gluten but it do not form gluten net. But still can be toxic for ill peoples.

So, using wheat flour/gluten is simplest way to have bread that have nice volume. Other flours are good for pies or require to use cake mold.

As for why gluten is better for machines: when dought contain formed gluten net it make it elastic, a bit like gum. So it can be nicely formed. Dought also can be to strong with too much gluten - that require much more force for shaping.

Also with good gluten net dought can sustain longer period after forming and before baking, making it less time sensitive - bread do not get flat before there is free place in the stove/oven.

Re:Was cancer less likely in a pre-industrial world? by fpoling on Saturday May 15, 2021 @03:42PM (#27168285)
It was not done on purpose. As an unintended consequence of selection for easy to harvest mechanically, easier to bake, better to respond to fertilizers modern wheat varieties contain more specific proteins of gluten type that cause allergic reactions.