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Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by dorfsmay on Friday May 14, 2021 @07:39AM (#27153138)
I know this is going to sound crazy, but give it a try sometime.

When I lose track while reading an article, or find difficult to understand it, I stop and reading it bottom up, one paragraph at a time. First the last paragraph, then the one before that, etc...

This cuts through directly to the conclusion, then the detailed explanations form particular to general (which works better for me) and I can skip the "excitement build up" at the top of the article.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by pbronez on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:12AM (#27153876)
man... this is exactly the opposite of how news articles are supposed to be written.

Good news articles should tell you everything in the headline. Then tell you everything again in the first body sentence. Then tell you everything again in the first paragraph. and the first page. And so on.

It's supposed to be a fractal that unfolds additional detail as you press forward, while ensuring that even a casual reader comes away with a mostly complete and accurate understanding of the issue.

More of THAT please.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by TeMPOraL on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:13AM (#27154547)
Yeah, it's called "inverted pyramid", and it's supposed to be the gold standard of journalistic writing. IIRC it's being taught as part of vocational education.

And yet, news media are the last place you're likely to find articles written in this style. Somehow, they manage to deliver the exact opposite of what they should be. A fractal of confusion, recursively unfolding noise.

(It's as if they were making a lot of money on maximizing the time a reader is engaged with any given article. It's as if - and I know this sounds crazy - the articles were there just to hold the user down, while they're being exposed to something else...)

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by Angostura on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:33PM (#27157127)
Its 'pyramid structure', not inverted. It was used in newspapers for two reasons.

The first is because, yes it allows busy readers to access the most salient facts first. But secondly, and perhaps more importantly from the point of print newspaper production, it allowed subs to always cut from the bottom, without having to read the whole piece carefully...

Newspapers would go through several editions throughout the night as new stories came in or existing stories were expanded. What started life as a front page lead might find itself moved to page three and progressively shortened, possibly down to a 1 sentence news-in-brief NIB.

The pyramid style let subs always fit a story into the available space, simply by cutting everything progressively from the bottom.

This story in Wired is not a news story and is not written as a news story. It is a feature story and its construction follows different rules.

It's a very good feature story, in my opinion.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by saurik on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:15PM (#27155907)
Wired is a magazine, not a newspaper: it doesn't exist to quickly present information every day, but to provide entertaining writing once a month; insisting it use an inverted pyramid is as strange as arguing that if only movies and books just led with the resolution, it would save you a lot of time.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by dredmorbius on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:49PM (#27236513)
Any publication still competes for attention.

Practices which show contempt for the reader's time and interest are ultimately counterproductive.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by rcoveson on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:01PM (#27155718)
> Yeah, it's called "inverted pyramid"...

Narrow (succinct) at the top and broad (detailed) at the bottom seems like a normal pyramid to me.

An "inverted pyramid" would be like one of those poems that describes fine details first and only in the last sentence reveals what it's been describing.

I don't doubt that it's actually called that, but it seems backwards to me.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by thatcat on Saturday May 15, 2021 @04:28PM (#27168688)
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by TeMPOraL on Monday May 17, 2021 @04:48AM (#27181331)
Thank you. The other replies made me worried my memory is failing me.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by Angostura on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:33PM (#27157132)
Yeh, it's simply called pyramid structure.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by jerf on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:16AM (#27154581)
"this is exactly the opposite of how news articles are supposed to be written."

I'm not accusing you of doing this on purpose, but there's a certain amount of equivocation in the phrase "news article" there. Yes, that's a style that is recommended for factual news articles in a newspaper context, but that's not the only form of "news article".

Call this a "news essay" instead and give it its own style and it might make more sense. It's been around for a long time. Could call it the 20th-century equivalent of clickbait and probably not be far off.

"There's an exciting revolutionary change to physics coming... but first, the full life story of the thesis advisor's influential father... keep reading...."

Arguably it's more a form of entertainment than information.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by hobs on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:56AM (#27154960)
Sure, but most of the content they are writing is neither entertaining or engaging, its long and wandering and I couldn't care less.

No novel is allowed to lollygag around the point its trying to achieve in the way these articles flagrantly waste your time.

It's like someone misunderstood that the act of moving your eyes along the page is not interesting in and of itself.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:26AM (#27155277)
>No novel is allowed to lollygag around the point its trying to achieve in the way these articles flagrantly waste your time.

With barely less than a second's though: Watership Down, a hugely popular novel in the 1970s, spends untold amounts of text/paper immersed in detailed descriptions of the flora that the characters are moving through or eating.

Why not just say "I don't enjoy this style of writing", rather than trying to come up with some supposedly objective metrics for how other people should write?

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by dredmorbius on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:55PM (#27236602)
There is lollygagging in irrelevancies, and luxuriating in details.

The distinction can be quite arbitrary, but it usually does stand out.

Herman Melville and Neal Stephenson also come to mind. In nonfiction, John McFee.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by yboris on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:27AM (#27155285)
I suspect that doing the opposite helps trap people on the page, resulting in more money going to advertisers. If all the info is at the top, who will scroll lower (and see more ads)?
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by vishnugupta on Friday May 14, 2021 @07:48AM (#27153192)
I second this.

I applied it to this[1] super long winded article in New Yorker to get the gist of the article. This article is littered with these passages and it's super frustrating. In the end from my view point it's a shallow piece with very little new insights. FWIW the article didn't age well as India is being ravaged by the 2nd wave.

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/01/why-does-the-p...

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by saurik on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:16PM (#27155924)
The New Yorker is a magazine, not a newspaper: it doesn't exist to quickly present information every day, but to provide entertaining writing once a month; reading it backwards to try to get to the point as fast as possible sounds as silly as doing the same to a movie or a book.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by dredmorbius on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:53PM (#27236572)
Excellent practice.

I'll also frequently apply this to HN comment streams.

1. Collapse the top comment. It's frequently good, but also frequently is an avalanche of compounded hot takes.

2. Scroll to the bottom of the discussion. Odds are that comments are lower-quality, but not always. I collapse these as I go up, upvoting the underrated ones. Occasionally comment.

3. If there's a long stream of lower-quality / redundant comments, I'll collapse those as well.

I really wish there were some way to surface more deeply-nested, high-quality comments. There isn't. (Though occasionally an email to mods will elevate one to a top-level comment.) There used to be a periodic HN curation. That no longer occurs AFAIU.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by throwawayboise on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:02PM (#27157552)
Sounds like the recommended way to read a research paper: (1) read the abstract; (2) if you're still interested, read the conclusion; (3) if you're still interested, read the body of the paper.