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Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by whitepaint on Thursday May 13, 2021 @02:43PM (#27145702)
That is just a ridiculous statement. If you want a hedge against inflation you'd buy something like shares of McDonald's (people will keep eating burgers), gold and other commodities, things that people need.

No one actually needs Bitcoin. If Bitcoin disappeared right now, who would lose besides the people who hold Bitcoin? No one. If you want to circumvent the banks there are other ways to do so and very easily so.

It's the biggest speculative bubbles of all time. And at the same time I believe it's a very important innovation by the way (solving the double-spending problem, or more precisely, making it good enough).

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by gradys on Thursday May 13, 2021 @02:46PM (#27145748)
What is ridiculous exactly? That it's deflationary? Or the intuition that it should rise in the face of USD inflation (all else equal)?
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by whitepaint on Thursday May 13, 2021 @02:49PM (#27145783)
That it should rise because of USD inflation.
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by chanc3e on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:21PM (#27146901)
Well put. The fundamentals are: pretty much everything in this world has a known fiat currency value.

The difference with BitCoin is that you can't go to a farmer and buy his goods, or pick up a used car, go to an auction, or take a wedge of greenbacks and disappear.

Until that becomes a ready reality, BitCoin is separate from actual trade, and completely vulnerable to speculation.

Currencies are a shared dream, stop believing and they Tinkerbell. That said, a BitCoin does have a definitive value, and won't go away. But it's certainly not $50k.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by imtringued on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:17AM (#27152679)
Exactly, this misconception is being repeated everywhere. It often goes up with inflation, not because of it. An asset with shrinking circulating supply will go up in price. It's self reinforcing because hoarding reduces the circulating supply. This is deflation and it's self reinforcing nature is why it is considered bad in economics.

This happens completely independently of USD inflation. If USD inflation goes up then Bitcoin may go up by the same amount. However, inflation may affect hoarding instincts in either direction, which can wipe out the influence of inflation on the price of Bitcoin.

For example, people may liquidate Bitcoin to buy commodities that are going up in price. The gasoline pipeline incident causes a shortage of gasoline, people start hoarding gasoline because it goes up much faster than the CPI average but Bitcoin itself can only protect against the CPI because Bitcoin holders want to buy things other than gasoline. If you are a consumer that needs nothing except gasoline then you would believe your Bitcoin are worth "CPI Bitcoin price" * (1+gasoline inflation rate). E.g. 25% gasoline inflation means it is worth 25% more than market rate, because you need 25% extra just to stay where you are.

The obvious problem is that there are some goods that went down in price. Assuming 20% deflation, someone else is willing to accept 20% dollars less for his Bitcoin. The average of both is 5%, therefore the "CPI Bitcoin price" would go up 5%. However, since the gasoline guy wants the 25% gains, it makes more sense to liquidate Bitcoin and buy gasoline directly but the deflation guy remains, which paradoxically drags the price of Bitcoin below inflation because it no longer tracks CPI but rather the CPI without the things that went up.

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by anxrn on Thursday May 13, 2021 @03:02PM (#27145962)
Why do people need gold?
Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by whitepaint on Thursday May 13, 2021 @03:07PM (#27146036)
https://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml

And now, please reciprocate, why do people need Bitcoin? If Bitcoin disappeared right now, what would anyone (besides people who are holding it) be losing?

Re:$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops a... by Siira on Thursday May 13, 2021 @06:06PM (#27148080)
Those uses can not sustain its price.