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Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by ajross on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:13AM (#27119049)
> With Tesla this car had supercharger access turned off and he could not get replacement parts to fix the car.

This is a little disingenuous. It was a wreck, literally. It was a flooded car that the insurance had written off and sold as scrap. You'd never get manufacturer support for a BMW in the same circumstance either. Scrap is scrap.

That you can buy a car body and do a cool hack isn't a moral lesson about the business model attached to the car the part was taken from.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by toast0 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:25AM (#27119222)
> You'd never get manufacturer support for a BMW in the same circumstance either.

You don't need manufacturer support to repair most cars. Several car makers have left the industry, and their cars are still drivable and repairable. You can generally buy and repair cars with flood or wrecked title and repair them if you've got the time and patience; manufacturers will probably think you're crazy, but you can get service parts.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by ajross on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:39AM (#27119425)
That's just not true of modern vehicles and you know it. You can't get a dash display replacement for a 2021 Audi or whatever from anyone but Audi, etc... You can't get an engine control computer for your new Toyota from anyone but Toyota.

It's absolutely true that engine parts can be made in a machine shop by a suitably talented artisan, so there remains a third party parts market for those things where there isn't for e.g. 20nm digital logic fabrication, NMC battery cells, etc...

But that's because one of those things is century old technology and the other isn't. It's not a business model thing, at all.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by Symbiote on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:49AM (#27119590)
The point was being able to buy things without a warranty or even owning the appropriate car. Whether third parties sell them is less important.

Audi instrument clusters, for 2021 models [1] — Audi appear to be willing to sell these to me, even though I don't own a car.

[2] seems to be a third party retailer.

[1] https://parts.audiusa.com/productSearch.aspx?&ukey_make=5792...

[2] https://www.audionlineparts.com/

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by colejohnson66 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @06:31PM (#27124429)
> Audi instrument clusters, for 2021 models [1] — Audi appear to be willing to sell these to me, even though I don't own a car.

GP didn’t say that Audi doesn’t sell it, but that you can’t “second source” it:

> You can't get a dash display replacement for a 2021 Audi or whatever from anyone but Audi, etc...

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by syshum on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:12PM (#27119906)
While their is a limited time period where a new car only has Dealer parts before the aftermarket and refurbished market kicks in. largely this is because there is not really a market for parts while the manufacturer warranty is in effect so more parts manufacturers do not bother.

The difference here is the dealer will sell you the parts most of the time no questions asked, no proof of ownership needed, no need to have the dealer install the part, etc etc. My understanding is that not even Tesla will sell you the parts, you have to bring the car in, they have the look it over, tell you what parts you need, and then you pay them to install it.

this is VERY VERY different than your Audi example

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by sesellis on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:47AM (#27119559)
But Audi will sell you the parts in your example.

The display went out in my wife's 2018 Toyota, I went online and bought the part through a dealer and installed it myself.

That's not very possible to do with Tesla, and I think that's the point here.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by jsight on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:14PM (#27119937)
https://epc.tesla.com/en/catalogs/2/categories/37/subcategor...

The Tesla screen is available from Tesla's parts departments. You don't even need to own a car to buy it.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by rascul on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:58PM (#27120469)
Salvage yards will have 2021 parts in a couple years or so.
Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by mfer on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:26AM (#27119240)
People by scrapped ICE cars all the time. It may not be one of the mainstream options but it's not rare. It's common. It's possible to fix it up to get a rebuilt title after it had a salvage title from being an insurance write-off.

The fact that filling up a car at a charging/fueling station requires manufacturer support highlights how coupled everything is together.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by _ph_ on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:49PM (#27120386)
I am sure, it is possible to charge the salvaged Tesla at most power outlets. Just not high-power chargers, which makes a lot of sense.
Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by jeffbee on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:19AM (#27119134)
A BMW dealer built a 1970s R90S motorcycle from parts they ordered from the BMW catalog in 2013. I personally rebuilt a wrecked 1989 Honda motorcycle with all factory parts in 2010. Traditional automakers provide excellent support for any years even for niche vehicles that hardly anyone bought.
Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by ajross on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:51AM (#27119615)
And you genuinely think you could do the same with a 2022 BMW i4 or Honda Clarity?

More to the point: could you have build those same projects in the 70's/90's when those were new vehicles? I rather doubt it, too. Parts markets are real, but they take time to mature.

I mean... where do you think the parts would even come from? Tesla's factories are at capacity building new vehicles (in the case of the model S and X, they're actually almost a year behind orders!). Who's going to make the stuff you'd expect to buy anyway?

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by gamblor956 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:33PM (#27120191)
nd you genuinely think you could do the same with a 2022 BMW i4

I do not expect to be able to buy replacement parts for a car that isn't yet on sale...

I do expect that I will be able to buy replacement parts for it once the car is on sale, as is the case with all of BMW's other vehicles.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by jeffbee on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:25PM (#27120080)
Yes? I just punched up the front steering assembly for a 2020 Honda Clarity PHEV. All I need to do is click this button to have it shipped to me. Reasonable automakers make more parts than they need and ship them to warehouses worldwide to support their customer fleets.

Here’s the whole battery pack assembly for my Honda. https://www.hondapartsonline.net/oem-parts/honda-pack-assemb...

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by bri3d on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:44PM (#27120310)
> You'd never get manufacturer support for a BMW in the same circumstance either.

There's no network of BMW gas stations that you need to pay a license fee to use, though. Otherwise I generally agree.

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by _ph_ on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:48PM (#27120367)
You don't need to charge at superchargers. Any other charger would do. But considering the voltage and currents at the superchargers, I can only support to limit the usage to undamaged vehicles.
Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by syshum on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:34AM (#27119359)
Pretty Sure BMW will sell you the parts, any parts, if you have the $$$, they will not even ask you the VIN Number, go down to the local deal, tell them you need X parts, and have Y Cash in hand they say "here you go"

Tesla attempting to turn cars in iPhone Walled Garden where you need approval to fix them and only allow to use Manufacture Approved Repair Centers likely will be the down fall of this, as people will not stand for this long term like they have with Cell phones, ironically this type of Automotive lock down (which Tesla is far from the only offender) will likely be the cause of Right to Repair laws being passed in most states very soon that will extend to all manner of electronics including Cell Phones

Re:Starting the World's First V8 Powered Tesla [video] by mgarfias on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:58AM (#27119717)
My plan with the mode y my wife just bought herself is to sell in 3-4 years. My 1T diesel pickup won’t be retired like this.

I don’t like this approach, but it is what it is.