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Re:Can I Email? by ubermonkey on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:20AM (#27117736)
How would you support formatted text in email, then?

Please don't say "there shouldn't be formatted text in email." That's not a reasonable position.

Re:Can I Email? by Grustaf on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:15PM (#27119943)
I’m not saying it’s reasonable, I’m just saying I would prefer it. I also would prefer websites without ads and social networks without arbitrary “community rules” but it’s not going to happen.
Re:Can I Email? by rauhl on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:36AM (#27117945)
> How would you support formatted text in email, then?

RFC 1896 specifies text/enriched: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1896

And of course nowadays there is Markdown, which basically codifies a lot of earlier plain-text formatting conventions.

> Please don't say "there shouldn't be formatted text in email." That's not a reasonable position.

I don’t know about that, really. We got by fine with plain text messages for decades, and the formatting conventions were good enough to convey meaning and nuance.

Re:Can I Email? by ubermonkey on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:41AM (#27154194)
"We got by" is a bad argument.

Once email was in wide use by the general public, easy formatting was inevitable. HTML was everywhere, and so was the path of least resistance.

I thought it awful at the time, but "at the time" was literally more than two decades ago. HTML email is fine. MOST mail I get, professionally, has some formatting in it now. MOST mail I send probably does, too, to increase what a mentor of mine used to call "scan value."

Could I put all that in a Word doc and email THAT instead? Sure. But that would be a huge pain in the ass.

Re:Can I Email? by breakfastduck on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:55AM (#27118159)
We got by fine for thousands of years without computers at all
Re:Can I Email? by cezart on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @10:12AM (#27118320)
If by fine you mean the life style people had in the 12th century, I’ll pass and stick with computers..
Re:Can I Email? by breakfastduck on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @07:44PM (#27125018)
I was making the point that surviving without something in the past or currently is no reason not to improve it.
Re:Can I Email? by rauhl on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @07:42AM (#27129149)
Improvements are awesome! That’s why I linked to the text/enriched RFC. I really wonder if anyone who downvoted actually read it, or just emotionally reacted.

I don’t think that HTML emails are really an improvement: full-fledged HTML engines bring in too many opportunities for exploits and privacy loss. They definitely add capability, but at too high a cost IMHO.

In general, I think that our industry would benefit from asking ‘can we?’ less and instead asking ‘ought we?’ more.

Re:Can I Email? by breakfastduck on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:21PM (#27161090)
Can't argue with your final point at all.

However, my thread is more "can we do it differently?" instead of "maybe we shouldn't do it at all"

I agree, HTML isn't right for email.

Some different approach, possibly a markdown variant, with decent style support (basic css like background colours, fonts, like markdown themes in a code editor), why not explore that.

There's no reason emails need to be plain. RTF is a horrible format, markdown is much more prevalent and easy to make a simple UI formatter that obeys the standard for non technical users.