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Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by greshario on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:29AM (#27085757)
Use duckduckgo and this is a non-issue.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by Garlef on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:48AM (#27085872)
I tried it and went back to google because google saves me time.

As a dev, I google a lot to figure out how to do X.

My experience with DuckDuckGo was that it added 2-10 minutes of filtering for usable results every time.

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by stephc_int13 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:54AM (#27085916)
I am using DuckDuckGo and my experience is completely different, but I might be missing something.

Do you have an example of a search you've done where the results were much better from Google Search than from DuckDuckGo?

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by mrweasel on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:13AM (#27086035)
My experience is that we reached a point where if DuckDuckGo can’t find something, then neither can Google. For local search Google is still a little better, but they choosen to drown out actual results with ads.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by greshario on Saturday May 08, 2021 @12:17PM (#27088462)
Not my experience for dev related searches. I assume this is because Google has learned I always search for JS stuff and I've gotten used to that so I'm not specific enough in my searches on DDG.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by Garlef on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:22AM (#27086094)
This might be true. But my point was that DuckDuckGo costs me too much time. To rephrase it: DuckDuckGo is more expensive to use. (At least for me).
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by Garlef on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:18AM (#27086069)
> Do you have an example of a search ...

Due to the very topic this HN post is about, I don't think this is a good method - your results might be vastly different from mine.

But let's look at the number of relevant results among the top 5 results for some thing I recently wanted to learn about.

"Comprehension categories" - a rather specific term from category theory

https://www.google.com/search?q=comprehension+category https://duckduckgo.com/?q=comprehension+category

Google: 5/5 (for me) DuckDuckGo: 1/5 (for me)

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by mdpye on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:31AM (#27086145)
You have to be explicit about the context if you've chosen to dump the implicit bundle of context.

"comprehension categories category theory" 5/5

I'd hardly say it's 2 to 10 minutes extra work, especially for such an obvious example

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by smichel17 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:41AM (#27086208)
"Comprehension categories theory" works as well.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by lehi on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:11AM (#27086825)
> Do you have an example of a search you've done where the results were much better from Google Search than from DuckDuckGo?

Here you go: https://imgur.com/a/CssDXS3

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by smsm42 on Monday May 10, 2021 @01:12AM (#27102929)
Have been using DDG for years, needed to call to Google maybe once per month in a particularly tough queries, on those I get about 50% success ratio - sometimes Google helps, sometimes doesn't. For the vast majority of routine queries DDG is more than enough.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by MandieD on Sunday May 09, 2021 @06:49AM (#27094928)
Google for tech stuff, Startpage/DDG for anything else. Google doesn’t need to know every single infant-related concern I have.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by azureel on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:33AM (#27085776)
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by pessimizer on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:08AM (#27086003)
To spell it out: it takes an increasing amount of effort to avoid any of your interests being tracked, logged, and almost immediately used in ways that you already know will be destructive. This is also an IT professional and a programmer saying this, so they do not want your advice. The fact that they can use many, many countermeasures which require many, many rabbitholes of research, that as a programmer they are able to understand (although they will have to be continually updated) is not a way to fix that fear it's the manifestation of that fear.

After 9/11 and the Patriot Act, librarians fought the government to keep the reading habits of patrons private as a core duty like doctors pledge to do no harm. Now it's difficult to get people to understand why clicking through to an attractive hammock while browsing Amazon registering in 900 databases and manifesting in ads and cold calls selling tropical vacations and being flagged on some government system as 2% more likely to be a flight risk if let out on bond (who am I kidding, AI doesn't give percentages, it just gives conclusions, looking at a hammock might be that stray pixel that can turn an OCR "O" into a "Q") - difficult to get some people to understand why that would make you nervous.

The answer to that isn't "use TOR to get to a VPN to browse amazon, and pay for that with a burner debit card loaded with bitcoin" or whatever works this week. There isn't really a hammock.

edit: also Amazon has that figured out, some researcher there figured out that they can identify you based on your click patterns and timing. Right now you can choose between 1) an app that will just click on everything silently, or 2) another app by a professor at some midwestern university that will jerk around the timing and positioning of your clicks in a way that throws your fingerprint off. The first app has been banned by every store, and triggers 80 warnings and a waiver that has to be signed with two-factor even if you manage to root your phone and sideload it. You have to compile the second app yourself, with a weird toolchain, and it draws in 640Mb of npm libraries. It's already been updated three times in response to Amazon's countermeasures, and the professor just wrote a paper about the entire method probably being ultimately doomed.

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by hyperdimension on Monday May 10, 2021 @11:26AM (#27107056)
> figured out that they can identify you based on your click patterns and timing.

This isn't restricted to just Amazon either; as I understand it, this is the core of the current reCaptcha version (and even more so, its evil twin, reCaptcha V3, which is seemingly so effective it can rely on those mouse events exclusively in most cases)

Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by fuzxi on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:36AM (#27085793)
"I complained on a public forum and received advice. What a horrible day to have an internet connection."
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by 0-_-0 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:37AM (#27085798)
Wow this guy loves to be a victim in as many ways as possible to squeeze into 3 tweets! This must be a kind of a Twitter archetype.
Re:Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorit... by jessaustin on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:42AM (#27085829)
Women just love it when random internet dudes pull the "if I were a woman you couldn't point out how trite and pointless my complaint is, so let's just assume I am a woman and you shut up now" card. It's so cool for them to be the exemplars of the trite and the pointless.