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Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by tacitusarc on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:13AM (#27085313)
What if you're wrong?
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by mrphoebs on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:05AM (#27085612)
I don't know what specifically you are referring to but, the sun is going to be a red giant in 4.5 billion years, earth cannot sustain life. Deep into the future, all the stars will eventually burn out and there will be no more new ones born. The night sky will be dark. The only radiation emitted will be black holes slowly evaporating on a time scale so huge we can't even meaningfully comprehend it. There is no energy to sustain life. Then there is the heat death of the universe to look forward to.

Humans might survive past earth, but oblivion will come for us all the same. We just get to play around in our little imagined worlds of purpose and meaning a little longer all to no avail beyond living one's life.

And that's all any of us can really do, chose how to face existence knowing there is no grand scheme in which each of us is some how important or matters. Choosing to live is equally as valid as choosing not to. We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...)

All we can do is live a life we are happy(good state) with, be it building stone walls that last or having kids and raising them.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by rainbowzootsuit on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:09AM (#27086410)
A short story that explores this premise:

The Last Question by Isaac Asimov © 1956

https://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by JackFr on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:46AM (#27085857)
> We are evolutionarily engineered thinking emotional machines where certain states make us feel good(love, friendship, self actualisation food...., accomplishment) and certain states make us feel bad (sickness, loss, pain...)

Certainly this could lead one to be a little more circumspect about grand pronouncements.

It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked.

Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by mrphoebs on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:14AM (#27086040)
> It seems like you’re saying some people are being tricked by our brains, but others (like yourself) are able to pull aside the veil and truly understand our place in the universe. Perhaps we’re all being tricked.

I make no such claim. We interpret and navigate the world with the mental models and toolsets we have. If you can do math, you can calculate, estimate, plan, budget....etc. Similarly, some toolsets give you access to insights and paradigms eg: religious toolset might make you interpret the world differently. I merely have a certain toolset which lets me look at the world in a certain way, does not mean this toolset is exclusive, leads to authoritative interpretations or it's acquisition is special in any way.

I could just say "In my humble opinion"

>Regardless, in a universe where nothing matters, truth and knowledge have no more value than children or stone walls.

As always value is in the eye of the beholder, there is no objective value beyond what a subject is able to get out of it. So if you feel truth and knowledge are important, they are. If you feel faith is more important than truth, it is, to you at-least.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by mistermann on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:53AM (#27087662)
> I could just say "In my humble opinion"

One problem I've noticed with the way human beings communicate is that for any given situation, there's no way of knowing whether the person speaking is doing so with an implicit "imho", or whether they mean the things they say literally. In this case, I thought that you were speaking literally.

I wonder how much this phenomenon (and others like it) contributes to the amount of polarization and disharmony we are experiencing in the world right now, or in the past for that matter, all without our knowledge or interest.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by 867-5309 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:03AM (#27086380)
we will have left earth (and inevitably our sun) long before 4 billion years away, most probably as a hybrid species by then

on the theorised heat death timescale humans have only been around for less than infinitesimal fractions of quadrillionths of a percent of their potential. what's to say we don't in that time escape it by transiting to a new, younger universe?

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by mrphoebs on Saturday May 08, 2021 @12:54PM (#27088802)
Or, you know an asteroid hits us causing the 6th Extinction Level Event killing humanity. As long as we are doing wild speculative Sci-Fi the Great filter in our future is a real possibility to consider.

For now, we are an incredibly young species who has time and again demonstrated our penchant for chasing after short term incentives at the cost of longterm harm. We are making the earth unliveable faster than we are progressing towards being a multi-planetary species (which seems like an insurmountable leap given the candidates and the cost structure we have to work with). But humans are inventive and resourceful so here's hoping we grow beyond living on earth.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by I-M-S on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:42PM (#27089235)
> But humans are inventive and resourceful

What's the benchmark?

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by Tddddd on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:17AM (#27085341)
How much do you rally know and remember from your ancestors which is more than a handful and always the same stories?

How did that really influence you?

We can look back, we are not a magic generation unique to all the other generations before us. We know what's going to happen with us and our legacies.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by lukeck on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:51AM (#27085897)
One difference between the current and previous generations is just how much information is recorded by and about us. There will be a lot more evidence of the existence and experiences of people alive today than people of a century ago. Whether people will care to look is a different matter.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by Tddddd on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:41AM (#27086617)
True and that makes it even more visible how little the future cares for you.

My mum is the only one who likes to look through our holiday pictures.

They will be there and no one will care.

Only some ml tool to potentially tell my future Familie members that I might have been depressed based on pictures and the ml notes it down for potential medical relevant information.

No one will know what I liked and disliked. No one will see that my life had ups and downs.

I really thought Facebook would be a great thing. Sharing and seeing what my Familie is up to but no one is using it for sharing family pictures. And I myself I'm sometimes annoyed by too many WhatsApp pictures.

I do get why it is like this but realizing and accepting it took a bit

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by daniellarusso on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:32AM (#27086157)
One large-scale EMP incident, and that is no longer the case.

We have alot more data now, but I am not sure how durable it all is.

I have quite a few DVDs and hard drives that no longer work.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by jll29 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:32PM (#27090427)
CDs/DVDs typically oxidize after 15 years.

Print the book version on vellum, and you'll preserve it for a few thousand years (or ANSI paper with the infinity sign, which supposedly lasts for at least 750 years).

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by busymom0 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:28AM (#27086535)
We do have a lot more data however we don’t have enough time to absorb it. Until something like Neuralink improves that, I don’t think it would be much different. So many of us take pictures all the time but how many of us really go back and look at the old pictures? And do we really have the time to view all pictures from our own time let alone previous generations?