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Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by rdevsrex on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:24AM (#27085073)
Exactly. I grew up in LA, and my parents bought a house for 50K in the 70s, but that same house today is ~700K. Just getting the down payment for a house that price would take a long time.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by mattmanser on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:43AM (#27085493)
$50,000 in 1970 is worth $350,000 in 2021 dollars.

So in reality the house has doubled in price.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by kubb on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:29AM (#27085755)
And I guess what we think are great salaries in the tech industry today, were salaries of a postman or a factory worker back then?
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by mattmanser on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:23AM (#27086908)
A small section of the total workforce has had a massive salary bump due to a severe shortage.

Not sure what that's got to do with anything we're talking about.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by failwhaleshark on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:12AM (#27086028)
My grandparents bought their house on the SJC - Los Gatos border for $30k in 1968. It sold in 2019 for $1.4M.

That's what piggyback second mortgages are for. There are also subsidized loans for first-time buyers in the US called FHA loans that allow 3.5% to 10% down payments.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by chii on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:29AM (#27087432)
> $30k in 1968. It sold in 2019 for $1.4M.

and the same $30k invested in the S&P 500 in 1968 would have earned you 186x - or $5,580,000 (using http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm as a guide to calculate returns).

And yet, nobody bats an eye that this amazing returns of stocks, and continues to complain that housing prices are too high today, when it was "cheap" in the past. But was it really cheap in the past?

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jjav on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:22AM (#27094494)
> > $30k in 1968. It sold in 2019 for $1.4M.

> and the same $30k invested in the S&P 500 in 1968 would have earned you 186x

OPs grandparents would have a difficult time living under a stock certificate.

Housing is to live in, can't compare it to stocks. Unless you plan to be stock-rich but homeless.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by temp8964 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#27088176)
But you can't live inside stocks. House is not just investment.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by failwhaleshark on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:08PM (#27092872)
Inelastic demand items: housing.. like water, food, heating.

I guess my grandparents could've squatted in the Santa Cruz mountains for a while and kept saving to buy stocks. ;-)

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by deepnotderp on Saturday May 08, 2021 @12:44PM (#27088714)
But I don’t need stocks in order to survive. I do need shelter though.

As long as housing is seen as an investment it’s not going to be affordable.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by chii on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:05PM (#27092854)
you don't need to own property to live there - you can rent.

Buying and owning property will always be an investment. If this investment is worth it (aka, it has outsized returns), then it can not be affordable.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jjav on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:23AM (#27094498)
> you don't need to own property to live there - you can rent.

Look up rents in the 60s in Los Gatos vs. rents recently to see what a terrible idea that would've been for those people.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by deepnotderp on Monday May 10, 2021 @03:12PM (#27109639)
I’m gonna go ahead and guess rising prices also means higher rents
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by failwhaleshark on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:03PM (#27092842)
They bought it using the GI Bill loan assistance program. They didn't have anywhere near $30k in savings.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by throwawayboise on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:43AM (#27085166)
But what was their income in the 70s?
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by pharmakom on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:18AM (#27085348)
More than 700/50x less