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Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by dr_dshiv on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:54AM (#27072696)
What do you think about Affirmative Action? Is it systemic racism or systemic antiracism?
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by wsc981 on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:36AM (#27072955)
> What do you think about Affirmative Action? Is it systemic racism or systemic antiracism?

Racism of course. Since it’s selecting people based on race.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by michaelmrose on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:06AM (#27073163)
In theory but there is effectively already in many cases greater affirmative action for white people already. Lets look at Harvard as a case study.

43% of white students at Harvard are legacies, athletes, or related to staff and 75% of these 43% wouldn't have been admitted on merits.

Around 1/3 of white people at Harvard are there because of effectively white affirmative action.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-...

A drive to pick people solely on merits would sound more meritorious if we applied it to white people first. I say this as a white man who believes in theory colorblind meritocracy in an imaginary world where such a thing can actually exist.

Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by username90 on Friday May 07, 2021 @09:26AM (#27075588)
I have nothing against moving the entire college admission over to be anonymous test based. Progressive people doesn't like it though.
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by rayiner on Friday May 07, 2021 @07:38AM (#27074772)
So explain the drive to eliminate test based admissions at heavily Asian NYC and VA public high schools
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by michaelmrose on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:33PM (#27079220)
I don't feel the need to as one doesn't negate the other.
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by vinay427 on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:12AM (#27073193)
> Since it’s selecting people based on race.

This can also apply to antiracism, which as I understand it [1] is policy that attempts to undo structural racism, not policy that is absent of race-conscious treatment. I think this question would also be more interesting to answer because everyone already agrees that affirmative action literally does factor in race. The more controversial part is whether it serves to reinforce or counteract some forms of systemic racism.

[1] From a modern viewpoint (e.g. Kendi), although I'm not sure if this word previously had different uses.

Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by fallingknife on Friday May 07, 2021 @05:57AM (#27074172)
Racism. But we'll call it anti-racism!
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by vinay427 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:01AM (#27085594)
From this perspective (Kendi, etc.), it is very much not the same as racism and is not just "racism" being rebranded. The term "anti-racism" really only makes sense when you consider this dichotomy using the more specific definition of racism.
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by fallingknife on Friday May 07, 2021 @06:08AM (#27074233)
Let's make a ranking system for incoming students. There will be an academic score for things like test scores and grades, and there will be a "personality score" for, well, god knows what. Turns out that Asian applicants score higher on the academic score, so what we'll do then is rank them lower on personality (though in person interviews have ranked then the same as students of other races). This is what we call the "holistic" admissions system, and it was designed in the 1920's to keep out the Jews.

Hmm, is this racism or anti-racism? Because it's literally what Harvard does.

Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by tremon on Friday May 07, 2021 @07:09AM (#27074596)
Antiracism is racism, by definition. The question should be whether it is justified/justifiable, not whether it's racism.