Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:43PM (#27071445)

So many animals die at the blades of the harvester. Also, the reason the argument fares poorly is likely due to the fact that it’s devoid of reason and couched entirely in emotion. Emotion is powerful and important, as it is part of our humanity. But it’s not a good basis for argument, given its fickle and poorly understood nature.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by dqv on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:48PM (#27071482)

Less animals stand to die at the blades of the harvester when one chooses to stop eating animals altogether. You can't eliminate suffering, but you can take active measures to reduce it.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:52PM (#27071517)

One can also choose to consume meat that is not treated with cruelty. It’s more expensive, but does exist.

The “less violence” argument doesn’t hold sway with some. That’s a purely subjective assessment that not everyone agrees with. For example, I don’t consider the slaughter of animals for food to be particularly more violent than the wholesale shredding of plant fibers at harvest.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by alecst on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:56PM (#27071555)

> I don’t consider the slaughter of animals for food to be particularly more violent than the wholesale shredding of plant fibers at harvest

You probably think of "violence" differently than most people then.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sweetheart on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:57PM (#27071563)

There is no such thing as slaughter without cruelty. The animals do not want to die, and they are killed. That is _always_ cruel.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by xenihn on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:26PM (#27071798)

I think we'll eventually be able to recreate "meat" that is equal to or even better than meat that came from an actual animal. We'll reach a point where "fake" meat tastes better, is healthier for you, and, most importantly of all, is more profitable.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:01PM (#27071602)

There is such a thing, for example the slaughtering of an animal for food.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sweetheart on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:27PM (#27071799)

If you watch the footage of pigs being half-stunned, throats slit, and then drowning in a vat of hot blood, and can earnestly tell me you don't see that as cruel, I promise you I will never make that argument again.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:41PM (#27071888)

As if that were the only way to slaughter an animal.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sweetheart on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:14AM (#27072054)

It’s how virtually all factory farms do it, which is the vast vast majority of meat that human beings eat. We should make sure we’re comfortable with it before saying it’s humane.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by King-Aaron on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:19PM (#27071754)

Plants don't want to die either, and they do their best to evolve specifically to avoid death.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by spicymaki on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:56AM (#27072324)

Personally I would love to have a device that would pull carbon out of the air and produce proteins. We are not there yet, so plants are the next best thing.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by daddylongstroke on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:50PM (#27089302)

You don't need a device. It already exists, and has existed for hundreds of thousands of years. It's the ruminant-grass-soil-microbe energy cycle.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by _3u10 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:20PM (#27071763)

Suicidal behavior in humans and other animals suggests that this is not always true.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by andyana on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:56PM (#27071554)

Curiously, where would you draw the line for violence?

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by shreygineer on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:58PM (#27071575)

Emotion might not be a good basis for argument, but neither is "X is also non-zero amount bad so why should I stop Y even though it is more bad"

Ex: "Donuts are bad for you because they are sugary" "Well, apples have sugar in them too! Should I stop eating them as well?!"

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:04PM (#27071636)

I was poking holes in the absolutism of the GP’s argument, not arguing as you suggest.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sweetheart on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:49PM (#27079432)

Veganism is never about absolutism. Veganism is about striving to do the best possible. Can every single human being go vegan? Probably not. But that vast majority can, while living full, healthy, happy lives.

Where is the absolutism?

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by CoastalCoder on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:53PM (#27071530)

I think that many times people have a logical argument (perhaps flawed) underlying their stated positions, but they don't clearly articulate it.

Some good-faith discussion can often surface that tacit reasoning.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by alecst on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:52PM (#27071510)

Maybe you can say more about what you disagree with, then, rather than writing off the comment as a bad argument. I don't think it was that bad or emotional, personally.

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Re:Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018) by sidlls on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:57PM (#27071566)

What part of “ without the slaughter of living, feeling, individual being is so unbelievably important and incredible” is not emotional? The words “feeling” and “individual” are purely emotional in this context.

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