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Re:Interactive IPA Chart by dvirsky on Thursday May 06, 2021 @04:17PM (#27068577)
I'm a native Hebrew speaker. We basically have one way to say each vowel. It took practice for me (not with a coach but with some training videos etc) to even hear the different ways English speakers pronounce them, my brain just wasn't tuned to hear them, let alone pronounce them.

Week, weak and wick will be pronounced and will sound exactly the same to a non trained Hebrew speaker, and to much much more hilarity - sheet/shit, peace/piece/piss.

Re:Interactive IPA Chart by shazar on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:02PM (#27069014)
Aren't week/weak and piece/peace pronounced exactly the same?
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by ericbarrett on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:39AM (#27072582)
I'd pronounce those the same (western US accent), but it can vary. Check out the caught/cot merger, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot%E2%80%93caught_merger
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by irrational on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:05PM (#27069588)
They are for me. Exactly the same pronunciation and emphasis. Maybe there are some dialects of English where they are not pronounced the same.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by 3pt14159 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:07PM (#27069054)
They're really quite close, both pairs of them. But the emphasis isn't quite the same as most people speak it.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by NovemberWhiskey on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:53PM (#27069486)
As a speaker of fairly standard British English, I would say they are homophones; I tried but couldn't find any natural way in which I could pronounce them differently.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by shazar on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:32PM (#27069297)
dictionary.com shows both with the same IPA: \wik\ and \pis\.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by ff7c11 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:25PM (#27069238)
I think they're identical.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by danielheath on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:33PM (#27069303)
I’m sure, in many accents, that they are. Definitely not the same in Australian Strine.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by hunter2_ on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:44PM (#27069856)
As an American, I knew about Straya but this is the first I've heard of Strine. Or should I say Murican :)
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by no_carrier on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:27PM (#27070902)
They're identical in Australian English.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by danielheath on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:05AM (#27072380)
Which one?
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by leephillips on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:36PM (#27069339)
They are identical. I think he was making a distinction between {week, weak} on one hand and {wick} on the other (but I was also initially confused by the way he put it). This is a big hurdle for native Spanish speakers as well, because i in Spanish is always pronounced as "ee". There seem to be a lot of embarrassing word pairs around these vowels; sheet, beach, etc.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by dvirsky on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:26PM (#27069765)
Yeah what I meant is that it just increases the possibilities of awkwardness. Piss of cake, piss process, etc.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by chrisweekly on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:24PM (#27070885)
Yes, they're homophones.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by ff7c11 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:22PM (#27069215)
French speakers often struggle with beach/bitch :)
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by alfonsodev on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:18PM (#27069697)
As Spanish speaker I struggled myself with that one, sweating, and probably over correcting making the e super long beeeeach to be safe. :D
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by desert_boi on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:14PM (#27069669)
In German, the vowels between schwül and schwul were really difficult to do for me as an American English speaker. I couldn't ever hear the difference between rounded and unrounded vowels. American English vowels are only rounded in the back. u and o (and in the East the au in caught).
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by pmontra on Friday May 07, 2021 @04:30AM (#27073702)
Italian speaker: also piece / peace / piss and sheet / shit.

We have only seven vowel sounds. A i u and open / closed e o. But different parts of the country often use only one of the two e and o sounds.

Re:Interactive IPA Chart by blowski on Friday May 07, 2021 @03:11AM (#27073187)
There's also the classic can't, count, and cunt (the last being one of the most offensive expletives).
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by dvirsky on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:37PM (#27077798)
For me that actually was easier - learning English mostly from TV as a kid I just pronounced can't as "kent".
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by cortesoft on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:40PM (#27071883)
As a native Californian, I pronounce week and weak the same. Not sure about other places.
Re:Interactive IPA Chart by 3pt14159 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:06PM (#27069043)
Peace and piece are really quite close. Even week and weak are too. At least to my Canadian, native English ears; and I've done enough French, Russian, and Greek to hear the difference between what other Canadian English speakers would consider to be the same sound.