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Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:06AM (#27049345)
> For someone looking to assassinate a specific individual, there are far cheaper and simpler methods that are also more reliable, including several methods that involve physically tampering with a car. For someone who wants to cause mass chaos…

Most of us tech people are good at imagining ways technology might be abused, but we’re not as good at thinking like actual criminals.

It’s a simile story with smart home gear: Tech people go to great lengths to imagine how their smart locks might be compromised by hackers who will break into their homes, but real burglars will just break a window and go around it. Tech people imagine how their wireless security cameras might be vulnerable to WiFi jamming, but criminals will just wear a face covering and park around the corner.

I’m sure high value targets have specialized vehicles where these systems are removed, replaced, or disconnected. For the rest of us, the biggest concern would be if a hack enabled vehicle theft, as that would be more likely to be abused than a movie-style assassination where someone locks up our brakes from a drone or something equally complicated.

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by jsight on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:48AM (#27050536)
> Most of us tech people are good at imagining ways technology might be abused, but we’re not as good at thinking like actual criminals.

I wouldn't limit it to tech people. I hear the same ideas from non-technical folks who are often even more adamant.

And you'd be shocked at how many people don't realize that home burglaries are primarily a daytime activity.

I'm not sure if the fact that most people can't think like a criminal makes me more or less comfortable. :)

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by ehnto on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:02AM (#27050760)
Same for car thefts. People imagine it happens in the dead of night at their house and that they'll be around to hear their alarm, but chances are high it'll be in a carpark while you're at work and no-one will think twice about an alarm in a carpark.
Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by Ivoah on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:35AM (#27049621)
As always, there's a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/538/
Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by cigaser on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:38AM (#27049643)
It is trivial to secure windows with plastic foil, glass will literally become bullet proof.

Real problem is if attackers would activate ALL alarms in entire city, night after night. Or your "smart doors" would tip attackers that owner is away from home/

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by gmadsen on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:25AM (#27050254)
This seems to be a mild deterrent at best.

most doors can be kicked down fairly easily. A window with plastic foil is only as good as its framing.

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by dkersten on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:11AM (#27050902)
I guess it depends on who is trying to break in and why.

I remember reading a reddit AMA from a former burglar and he said that these windows did stop him, because he would be looking to get in and out as quickly and inconspicuously as possible and these would slow him down enough that he would try elsewhere instead.

So, for a random opportunistic burglar, they may work quite well, but for somebody determined or someone with more time (eg if you live in a secluded area and they know you're away for long enough), there's always a way in. I've watched enough lockpicking videos to know its not that hard and enough defcon talks to know that lockpicking is rarely necessary. If someone determined wants to get into your home, they will.

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by EricE on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @01:22PM (#27052801)
Exactly - it’s the old joke about not having to run faster than a bear in the woods - just faster than the slowest membe of your party :)
Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by dharmab on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:09AM (#27050864)
Deviant Ollam has some great talks on physical pentesting and simple, affordable solutions to common attacks. You can find them on YouTube.
Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by Retric on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:59AM (#27050703)
Even the walls of most houses are fairly easy to get through.
Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by cronix on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:16AM (#27050967)
> It is trivial to secure windows with plastic foil, glass will literally become bullet proof.

Here's some $50k windows that Nordstrom in Seattle was using that used that film. The windows couldn't stand up to Antifa with hammers, which makes me question the bulletproofness claim. It might not be the same exact stuff that you're claiming, but I'm guessing it is due to the description ("due to their thickness and a protective film that internally self-adheres after strikes or damage"), and that this has happened numerous times to them in the last year and I'm sure they're tired of replacing them and went for the best, strongest windows they could. $50k-70k EACH seems quite expensive for a single display window.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/downtown-nor...

Re:Tesla Car Hacked Remotely from Drone via Zero-Click Exploit by sleepybrett on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:33AM (#27051216)
Having worked on those very windows. They are also expensive because of other films and treatments to that glass that filter certain light that damages the items displayed behind it. Also they are just really big pieces of thick glass.