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Re:How Basecamp Blew Up by jjeaff on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:39AM (#27046234)
I grew up middle class, rural, and southern. So I don't have all the privileges in the world. But at the same time, I know that the privilege I lack is not because I am white. That is why when someone makes a negative comment about white people, it has very little affect on me. But hearing offensive comments/jokes about rednecks when I moved out west, that hurt a little, because there is some history behind that and maybe even a little truth. And that fact that I get lumped in with that stereotypical redneck idea is a bit hurtful. But it's nothing like the history behind being Black in America.

So no, it's not the same thing. Because context matters and who is saying it to whom matters.

Re:How Basecamp Blew Up by JPKab on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:56AM (#27046353)
Context always matters but context isn't fixed at your national level.

If you get jumped by several guys from an oppressed group at that moment in time and in that place they have a lot more power than you do. Just like in code that context exist within the broader global context where you correctly point out that there are power differentials.

I also grew up in the south like you did but I grew up in a trailer park. Kids like you with houses on the bus made fun of kids getting on from the trailer park.

My point is that socioeconomic status is dramatically more predictive of failure or success in the United States than race is. Geographic location is also a huge predictor. If we're going to reduce things down to one dimension we should focus on class.

Re:How Basecamp Blew Up by arp242 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @02:01AM (#27046701)
Sure, I don't really disagree with any of that; that this entire "Muslim test" works in the first place is because it substitutes it with a group that is disadvantaged in some way, and it "feels more wrong".

But it's still "punching", whether it's punching "up", "down", or "side-ways" doesn't strike me as especially important. Maybe "punching down" is "more bad", but IMHO both are bad and we shouldn't do either. Yet it's still not only commonly done, but also socially accepted. "stop whining, it's not as bad as [..]" doesn't make it okay (not what you said, but some people have, indeed, this is essentially what the entire "#NotAllMen" meme is).

Re:How Basecamp Blew Up by jakelazaroff on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:40AM (#27048655)
It’s not true that class is necessarily more predictive of failure and success than race. Black boys, for example, are more likely than not to fall from upper class to lower classes. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c...
Re:How Basecamp Blew Up by dang on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @12:56PM (#27052434)
It's important to remember that this is an international forum with millions of readers all over the world. It's not a majority-U.S. community.

I mention this because it's another dimension of context which gets badly overlooked when people discuss divisive issues that are dependent on specific places and histories.