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Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by teserodo on Sunday May 02, 2021 @09:23PM (#27020694)
I'm from Europe. There's all kinds is new regulations around 2fa for banking apps that came out last year, logging in seems to absolutely require a phone now, and all my accounts use an app to do it.
Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by Symbiote on Monday May 03, 2021 @02:24PM (#27028803)
Neither of my British accounts require a smartphone to log in, they send an SMS or make a voice call. My Danish account uses either an app or SMS.

You probably can't use a startup bank, as the app is one way they cut costs. Use a boring bank.

Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by mrweasel on Monday May 03, 2021 @02:44PM (#27029054)
Just curious: Doesn't you Danish account still support the little cardboard card with the one-time codes?

Personally I really hate that they want to kill the card, and go to an app model (with the option of a key fob). It's made even worse by the police (and others) pushing the idea that the app is safer. How is it safer to have your two-factor authentication app on the same devices as the apps that need the second factor? Those things should be separate.

Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by Symbiote on Monday May 03, 2021 @03:23PM (#27029543)
You are correct, I can also use the code card of one-use keys.

I was confused by the recent change where online purchases require an SMS or the app, and no longer work with the code card.

I think the app is probably encouraged since it protects against a phishing site like this: hxxp://tilbagebetaling1060dkk.net/1060DKK/ -- but I'm not quite sure how.

Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by flal_ on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:10PM (#27031474)
SMS as a 2nd factor is ( for a very good reason ) prohibited by dspp2 European directive. You.might have escaped that with brexit though. Even old school banks ( French dude here ) are forced to use apps as 2fa, but my bank for example can provide an hardware token, or a smartcard.
Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by thorin on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:55AM (#27048373)
UK here:

Barclays don't require the app. You can still use the website or even telephone banking with a real agent. They do give you the chip and pin reader, the same as the one used in branches which works well.

Santander do seem to use a mobile for 2FA but only to send a text message and you can still use the website.

I rarely have to do more than 1 banking transaction / week so I just use the website, from home. Not too bothered about having another app, especially with access to my bank account.

Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by salsadip on Monday May 03, 2021 @02:28PM (#27028863)
In case you use macOS and own a M1 mac, check if your bank's 2fa app works on macOS. Your bank can deactivate it but iOS apps default to being runnable under macOS.
Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by ranguna on Monday May 03, 2021 @04:01AM (#27022667)
2fa through SMS? You don't need a smartphone for that.

I don't know about Ireland, but in Portugal most banks have a Web app and not just a mobile app.

Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by swen-rekcah on Monday May 03, 2021 @07:02AM (#27023586)
Sorry I should have been clearer - the banking app is Monzo and they don’t have a web app for mobile or desktop
Re:Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help? by maccard on Monday May 03, 2021 @03:13PM (#27029428)
If you're using monzo I'm guessing UK - pretty much all the banks other than monzo, starling, revolut are _fine_