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Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by giantg2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:57PM (#26985039)
For my wife, she can get more hours and higher pay as an independent contractor. Part of this is because we get insurance through my job. They also give her more autonomy than an employee would have.
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by lupire on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:19PM (#26985374)
Why wouldn't her employer let her opt out of insurance?

Are you comparing full-time hourly employees to part-time contracting?

> They also give her

When you say it like that, you are describing an employee not an independent contractor.

But your layer comment, about setting her own rates, makes me think that she is working as an actual freelancer, not as a gig employee.

Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by losvedir on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:44PM (#26985761)
> Why wouldn't her employer let her opt out of insurance?

Is this... a thing? I've never had that option in any of my jobs. Sure, I can choose not to take the employee sponsored health insurance, but then I'm just opting out of my share of the monthly premiums the company would deduct. But in general, a company pays more than that. I've never been able to opt out of company insurance and recover their share of the premiums! I assumed that wasn't legal for them to offer.

Oh, and to be explicit about the connection: that's why an independent contractor would be paid more. If an employee's wage is $x, a company generally pays something like $(2x), and so an independent contractor would expect to be paid something closer to 2x than x. (Usually because they* then have to pay certain taxes, and worry about their own benefits, etc.)

Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by giantg2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:44PM (#26985763)
Most employers aren't going to pay you more for opting out of insurance. Many employers would try to keep your hours low so they don't have to offer you insurance.

"When you say it like that, you are describing an employee not an independent contractor."

This doesn't make sense to me. She has more autonomy than an employee would. They give her that level of autonomy by not making her an employee. She does not get a W2.

"But your layer comment, about setting her own rates, makes me think that she is working as an actual freelancer, not as a gig employee."

There's a lot of overlap between those terms, except replace employee with worker. I would say she's a freelance gig worker. Freelance tends to mean that you are just independent. You can work on an individual project for a company and move on, but it's usually larger pieces of work. As a gig worker, I see it as being more of a repetitive task for various customers. You can be a freelance driver and work for both uber and Lyft, or even uber and a taxi company. The gig part is that they are always individual tasks you get paid for - each ride. This is very similar to what she is doing.

So I see gig workers as freelancers, but not all freelancers are gig workers.

Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by itake on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:00PM (#26985101)
Off-topic, but do you think its a problem that gig workers have no upward mobility? A worker with 10 years of experience will be paid exactly the same as a worker with 1 month.
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by adamiscool8 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:09PM (#26985237)
Plenty of employees have no upward mobility either. Though with 10 years of positive ratings, I would think The Algorithm would reward them with more frequent/better gigs?
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by giantg2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:16PM (#26985331)
I'm an employee. I have 9 years experience and a masters. I had one promotion. I've been stuck at the intermediate developer level and do not see any promotions in my future
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by itake on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:18PM (#26985360)
The Algorithm could decide their car is older and they could get less gigs :-/.
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by giantg2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:13PM (#26985302)
She has upward mobility. They let her choose the rate she charges the customer and then they take their cut. The more hours she wants, she can have. If she's good at her job and the customers love her, she can give herself a raise by increasing prices (it's already like $50-120/hr depending on the class). She even has the authority to hire someone to work under her.
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by jandrewrogers on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:05PM (#26985160)
That depends on the type of gig. There are some gigs where experience and skill command a substantial premium.
Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by itake on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:08PM (#26985208)
The largest gig employers (Uber, Lyft, Doordash, etc.) do not seem to provide a substantial premium for experience.

In 5-10 years, what will be the current driver's expectations for pay?

Re:U.S. Labor Secretary throws support behind classifying gi... by giantg2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:14PM (#26985313)
Beyond a month or two of experience, what would more experience benefit in that role?