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Re:History of Techno by mqp on Thursday April 29, 2021 @08:26AM (#26980259)
I'm pleased to see accuracy in the history of techno.

I for one did not know it's roots took place back in the 70s and from the black community.

These days when I look at techno artists and their raving followers, its prodimently white. I have since taken active steps to seek out the lesser know black artists to support.

Many modern music fundamentals are origins from the black community and very little is correctly attributed and/or black artists are sidelined.

Re:History of Techno by devmunchies on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:33PM (#26984045)
> it's roots took place ... from the black community

> origins from the black community

gotta give credit to the engineers who pioneered electronic music synthesis, like Robert Moog, or the Japanese who created Korg synthesizers in the article.

Influences for any technology, project, art, etc come from a large web of sources. Racial gatekeeping and attribution is close-minded.

Let the people enjoy techno without guilt.

Re:History of Techno by jamal-kumar on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:59PM (#26984307)
Why guilt? The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs

And that's OK, there's literally nothing wrong with this. I think there's also a lot of stuff to be said about how there's anecdotes about how the early rave scene had a lot of previously unheard of racial unity going on, stuff like skinhead and rasta gangs or even rival football ultras encountering each other and literally just vibing when they'd be fighting each other before

Re:History of Techno by devmunchies on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:31PM (#26985531)
> Why guilt?

GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad.

> The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black

you could say the first stuff anyone started calling electronic music was pretty white. point is, racial attribution for something that has a huge array of influences is silly.

> unheard of racial unity going on

yes, the way it should be.

Re:History of Techno by wolverine876 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:43PM (#26986451)
> GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad.

I don't see that; I don't see any "guilt", using your word. Can you point it out? People have other motives.

My impression is that you brought your own (reactionary?) bias to it, using a reactionary talking point whether it really applies or not. Why bring down someone who is trying to expand their experiences, knowledge, and community, in a world where racism is common and leads to many people being excluded. We should work to include - that's great, creative, positive; there's no reason it needs to be motivated by guilt.

Re:History of Techno by devmunchies on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:40PM (#26987152)
This confuses the heck out of me. I saw my comment as the more inclusive.

> using a reactionary talking point

???

Re:History of Techno by wolverine876 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:55PM (#26987309)
Probably your first time discussing these things on the Internet!
Re:History of Techno by jamal-kumar on Thursday April 29, 2021 @07:10PM (#26987999)
im gonna start a music project called sounding fun at techno parties
Re:History of Techno by zozbot234 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:45PM (#26987194)
This article is about techno specifically, not electronic music. There's a lot of electronic music that has nothing to do with techno - techno is a genre, like chiptune, trance or dubstep.
Re:History of Techno by devmunchies on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:59PM (#26987346)
> As part of Beatportal’s new series on the history of electronic dance music, Marcus Barnes explores the rich history of techno, from the 1970s right through to today.

it's a series about electronic music history.

Re:History of Techno by Jesus_piece on Friday April 30, 2021 @12:46AM (#26989905)
OP didn’t insinuate people should feel guilty. Those feelings you are having are of your own causing and interpretation. He was just stating facts
Re:History of Techno by devmunchies on Friday April 30, 2021 @12:08PM (#26995284)
oh i don't feel any guilt at all. I was interpreting OPs motive for changing their behavior, and why they felt the need to communicate it as if it were a noble act.

> its prodimently white. I have since taken active steps to seek out the lesser know black artists to support

I couldn't care less who the specific artist is for techno music i listen to.

Re:History of Techno by Jesus_piece on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:28AM (#27012581)
Cool? Why can’t we all do what we please? OP has a different opinion and wants to honor the underrepresented people who inspired it
Re:History of Techno by HKH2 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @11:49AM (#26982709)
It's not uncommon for a popular techno artist to talk about how Detroit techno influenced them. As far as I've seen, Detroit techno artists, most often Black, are given a lot of respect for their contributions, so I would like to hear about who was sidelined or not correctly attributed.
Re:History of Techno by jamal-kumar on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:29PM (#26984008)
If you want to see quite the videos check these out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w [ Acid Mix Detroit Chicago - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU [ Techno Jam - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM [ City of Techno (Detroit) - New Dance Show 1991 ]

Great examples of the racial diversity in the early scene in Detroit. I think this was some public access TV show?

Anyways speaking from living in Latin America the scene here is HUGE for techno and house, I would probably say the numbers here are bigger and more diverse than I've seen for the same scene in North America and balance out the melanation factor quite a lot

Re:History of Techno by Toutouxc on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:06PM (#26985168)
It's bizarre and charming at the same time to hear music so similar to the colder, minimal kind of techno you'd expect to hear at a dark themed party in a shady club full of edgy young people, and see the happy, well dressed, colorful, smiling people in the video.
Re:History of Techno by jamal-kumar on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:18PM (#26985357)
It's good vibin videos for sure, looked like a great time
Re:History of Techno by SvenMarquardt on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:07PM (#26985187)
Yes, LATAM has the wildest contemporary techno scene after Europe. The US had next to no techno scene pre-pandemic, a party or two in NY or LA each weekend was it, now its dead.
Re:History of Techno by randomopining on Friday April 30, 2021 @11:34AM (#26994786)
Are you sure? NY would have plenty of parties, like 20-30 on a popping weekend night. Full range.

I know Colombia is really into it. I went to pretty solid parties in Brazil, at Fabriketa in Sao paulo. Felt fairly similar to the NY scene.

NY would have the big events for the "cool" crowd, big showcases like afterlife and stuff at the Mirage. Then smaller clubs like Nowadays, where you could get an 8 hour Wata Igarashi set etc. Underground one-offs like The Bunker.

Plus it seemed like a lot of Europe's cities have their scene and they focus more on that. Of course Berlin is high quality but like Copenhagen focuses on schacke and stuff. Whereas NY you can get a taste of everything in a year.

Re:History of Techno by jamal-kumar on Thursday April 29, 2021 @03:17PM (#26985343)
Yeah they even have a hardtechno/schranz thing going on in Colombia and Venezuela, bit too turbo for me but still cool

Colombia had someone spinning that who was when she was still alive quite the amusement because she changed her name to ladyzunga cyborg and then... this

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombi...

RIP abcdefg hijklmn opqrst uvwxyz

Re:History of Techno by Jesus_piece on Friday April 30, 2021 @12:52AM (#26989928)
That’s quite a broad brush to paint 300+ million people with. Techno communities exist outside of mega cities in the US
Re:History of Techno by SvenMarquardt on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:22AM (#26990358)
To fully appreciate the difference in scale, compare the event listings for any pre-Covid Saturday night on RA: https://ra.co

Berlin, Amsterdam, London, etc, each had a larger scene than the entirety of the US combined.

Re:History of Techno by mixmastamyk on Thursday April 29, 2021 @01:38PM (#26984108)
One root is there definitely in America. However this piece overlooks the work of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream in Europe in the early 1970s.
Re:History of Techno by anthk on Thursday April 29, 2021 @09:25AM (#26980837)
White European here (Spain).

Black people in the US invented basically the three modern music roots:

- Blues/Rock

- Techno

- Rap

The problem is rap had much better marketing in the US, ditto with rhythm and blues in the 90's.

Re:History of Techno by wolverine876 on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:57PM (#26986603)
Omitting jazz from the list of African-American musical innovations is like omitting goal-scoring from Messi's achievements or MacOS from Apple's.

Also, by "rap" I think you mean 'hip-hop', which includes sampling and mixing, especially using turntables.

> Well, blues is the son of jazz music :)

Try some Muddy Waters and John Coltrane, listen, then report back.

With due respect, beyond every form of music being related to every other (just like you are probably a distant relative of mine), they are such different genres that my impression of the comment - which could be completely wrong - is that the commenter has not listed to jazz, blues, or both.

Re:History of Techno by dpeck on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:35PM (#26983279)
Can’t forget jazz there either.

And I’d argue that blues and rock are separate, but that most rock until late 90s was heavily influenced by blues. But that’s all just fun trying to draw lines where there isn’t a clear difference sometimes.

Re:History of Techno by anthk on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:44PM (#26983423)
Well, blues is the son of jazz music :)

PD: I didn´t put Blues/Rock as separate entities, but two genres where late blues albums could be considered something as proto-rock. And ditto with jazz-swing-blues. It's like a continuum.

Re:History of Techno by te_chris on Thursday April 29, 2021 @04:11PM (#26986104)
More like the father!
Re:History of Techno by anthk on Thursday April 29, 2021 @05:20PM (#26986886)
Oh, TIL. As blues got played until really long (until it gave birth to rock), I tought the opposite.
Re:History of Techno by mdhen on Monday May 03, 2021 @04:51PM (#27030467)
not just techno, also house
Re:History of Techno by senorjazz on Thursday April 29, 2021 @08:54AM (#26980540)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpudasPafg

Good documentary on the origins of house and techno from 70s disco, to 4 to the floor disco and the coming of the 808, how this moved to house in chicago and some sci fi nerds with a love for kraftwerk in detroit started techno. Then how the UK got involved and these DJs from the US, used to playing to 50-80 people in tiny underground, often gay clubs would come to the UK and play to 10,000 in massive outdoor / warehouse events and rave was born

Re:History of Techno by mdbauman on Thursday April 29, 2021 @09:20AM (#26980790)
For anyone seeing the copyright claim and wondering what this was, it seems to be a BBC documentary called Can You Feel It - How Dance Music Conquered the World. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11719632/
Re:History of Techno by SvenMarquardt on Thursday April 29, 2021 @02:54PM (#26984999)
Detroit techno is a completely different beast to the modern European techno scene. Less than 1% of DJs playing at Berghain are black. Modern techno is dominated by Europeans.