I’m sure that a small group had planned something very serious. I don’t know how many of the 2000 people were a part of that, and how many were, as you say, “trespassing.”

I found it very serious too. I have a serious medical condition. It’s very important that I be able to get to hospital quickly. I’m terrified of being in a place like the capitol, and being stuck there without access to an ambulance.

My point - and this is not a popular one - is that any gathering that has the potential to delay emergency services is a serious matter. Anyone who causes it should be held accountable for the deaths that result.

I don't disagree with anything your saying but none of that makes that a insurrection.

If people can’t get out, or medics can’t get in, that’s serious. Nothing to do with politics.

I don’t know whether or to what degree the OK protestors blocked movement of people.

If they did, then yes.

Obviously most of the group did not have any real plans. But some did. There were explosives planted, maps of underground escape routes, zip ties for taking prisoners, chat messages planning and coordinating, and I suspect much more that is not released yet due to the ongoing investigations.

Looks like a dead ringer for the definition to me. It doesn't have to be -well- planned or likely to succeed.

It’s hard for me to see that as a problem. What problem is that causing for you, or anybody else?

if you live here it sucks. soldiers in the streets are -EV in the vibe department.

Yep I lived in DC. I haven't felt that the consequences are so terrible... What are your thoughts?

Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution. When does it end? Or is this the new normal?

I don't know the answer. What are your thoughts?