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Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by spockz on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:00PM (#26960005)
You would need to think quite far out of the box and hit it to be able to beat a vertically integrated, extremely well-funded, and successful company.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by firebaze on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @04:36PM (#26961168)
I guess it's not black magic apple is doing right here. From my experience with big companies, Intel just got buried in its processes, approvals, middle-management etc.pp.; they still got the talent, and in the past years there wasn't any serious competitor to them.

The dual wake-up call from AMD and from Apple (ARM), combined with the money Intel has in its pocket will have a serious influence on the cpu market. Unsure if they'll come out ahead, but it will get interesting and probably cheaper, not only for consumers.

Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by zepto on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:31PM (#26960379)
There are lots of very rich companies that claim to want to compete but choose not to take the risks Apple did, of investing in their own vertical integration.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by bombcar on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:47PM (#26960585)
Each individual risk Apple takes is small - they didn’t develop the M1 from scratch; they have years of iPhone and iPad processor development under their belt.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by jimbokun on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @06:38PM (#26962830)
The risk of Apple deciding to design their own chips was massive.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by cma on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @04:32PM (#26961129)
Apple started working with ARM in the 80s, eventually used in the Newton. I don't know that they did design directly, but they influenced the changes that became ARM6.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by berkeleyjunk on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @10:18AM (#26969646)
I would speculate that the Palo Alto (P.A. Semi) acquisition is what kicked off this round of the Apple semiconductor (r)evolution.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by zepto on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @03:50PM (#26960626)
The individual risks are small now, but they weren’t when Apple was recovering from near death.
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by spfzero on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @01:30AM (#26965945)
Vertical integration is certainly contrary to mainstream management philosophy these days. Today, the more dependencies you can work into your business plan, the smarter you seem. You’re an expert juggler, woo! That free API you were using got retired? Not your fault, who could have predicted?

To their credit, Apple takes the time and invests the money to build the stronger house.

Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by reddog on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @04:30PM (#26961109)
Like IBM circa 1968?
Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by ngcc_hk on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:25AM (#27004120)
Vertical integration for our Mgt guru generation could not last. In fact the problem of intel not farming out its fab business (and recognise its asset is x86 etc) is the problem. What apple smart at is cut the line to fab.

Still ibm then have no consumer whilst apple now has no business and cloud business domination ... still lots of space to play.

But if windows moved to arm with the same result I cannot say intel can survive though.

Re:Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production fo... by cromulent on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @04:39PM (#26961199)
Well, the world was changing and new opportunities arose. I think it's different now compared to then.

In 1968 there weren't that many computing devices around. When video games and home computing came around, there were massive opportunities and the entrenched players missed some of them.

Same with mobile phones, same with the internet, same with smartphones.